[ancient_geezer]

the only way i could buy into some type of pre-bate would be if it were along the lines of "per human"/legal-resident.

That happens to be the basis on which it is implemented.

All legal residents will receive a monthly demogrant called the Family Consumption Allowence(FCA) equivalent to the FairTax paid on essential goods and services, also known as the poverty level expenditures. The FCA is paid in advance, in equal installments each month. The size of the monthly FCA will be determined by the government's Poverty Level for a particular family size, multiplied by the tax rate, and paid to all households regardless of income or actual expenditure. The HHS poverty llevel is a well-accepted, long-used poverty-level calculation that includes food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical care, etc. See chart in Figure 1 below.

 

Figure 1: 2004 FCA calculation
Family size	HHS annual poverty level	FairTax annual consumption allowance (single person)	Annual rebate (single person)	Monthly rebate (single person)	FairTax annual consumption allowance (married couple)	Annual rebate (married couple)	Monthly rebate (married couple)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8	$9,310 $12,490 $15,670 $18,850 $22,030 $25,210 $28,390 $31,570	$9,310 $12,490 $15,670 $18,850 $22,030 $25,210 $28,390 $31,570	$2,141 $2,873 $3,604 $4,336 $5,067 $5,798 $6,530 $7,261	$178 $239 $300 $361 $422 $483 $544 $605	N/A $18,620 $21,800 $24,980 $28,160 $31,340 $34,520 $37,700	N/A $4,283 $5,014 $5,745 $6,477 $7,208 $7,940 $8,671	N/A $357 $418 $479 $540 $601 $662 $723

[ The monthly FCA for each adult is .23 * (HSS poverty level for a single person)/12 to assure no marriage penalty due to the manner in which the poverty level is dependant on family size. The monthly FCA for each child is .23 * (the incremental increase of HSS poverty level for a family with one child over no child) ] A. Geezer

[kpp_kpp]

the government is still defining "family".

i'm not saying that is a horribly bad thing but if a system could be designed were no re/pre-bate is necessary then that gets the government out of the contentious family planning business.

but you could argue that the government should be in the family planning business and should support higher birthrates so we don't wipe ourselves out like europe is doing.

[kpp_kpp]

>
> The HHS poverty llevel is a well-accepted, long-used
> poverty-level calculation that includes food, clothing,
> shelter, transportation, medical care, etc
>

If this is supposed to be voluntary then:
clothing: buy used
shelter: buy used
transportation: walk, buy used vehicals, bum rides
medical care: use free clinics
food: oops, you're taxed! (i know, grow you're own -- but i'm trying to be reasonable)

(i'll drop my argument on housing). skip the tax on unprocessed foods and drop the prebate. it becomes truly voluntary and includes no social planning.

show me a plan where you can lead a simple lifestyle and neither pay nor receive $ to/from the government and i'll support it.