Posted on 12/17/2004 8:38:45 AM PST by yonif
The IDF Spokesperson's Office has released an aerial photograph of the area where a Palestinian girl was killed on October 5. The photograph was published in Maariv today.
Contrary to Palestinian claims that the girl was killed on the way to school, the photograph clearly indicates that the Girit outpost, where she was shot and killed, is locate in the opposite direction from her home.
The area of the Girit outpost is off limits to civilians.
It should be noted that it is a common practice of Palestinian terrorists to send children to both test the security arrrangements in outposts and at times even place explosive charges.
Ping.
Evil b*stards, plain and simple.
Maybe it's like that Family Circus cartoon strip.
"There will be peace with Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."___Golda Meir
The salient facts will undoubtedly be ignored by all Leftists, their media pals, and every "human rights" organization that kowtows to terrorists.
You mean the one where P.J. and Dolly strap the explosives vest on Barfy and tell him to test the security at the local ROTC center? That one was a hoot!
It should be noted that it is a common practice of Palestinian terrorists to send children to both test the security arrrangements in outposts and at times even place explosive charges.
The facts may be ignored, but the Israelis did the right thing in this case.
I mean, this girl went strolling away from town and up this random hillside where there just *happened* to be an Israeli outpost?
I wonder if the parents are satisfied or not. Knowing their mindset, they probably think they made a martyr out of their daughter.
Imagine if a Christian strapped a bomb to their kid to go blow up an abortion clinic?? You'd never hear the end of it.
Specically, who is evil?
She was taking the scenic route.
Say it ain't so...
That was a good one but I'm talking about the one where PJ wanders 20 miles in the wrong direction to the school.
Well... Um... uh... Obviously the Jooz TRICKED her into going that way!
(Yeah... That's it. That's the ticket.)
those people seem to think we are as stupid as they are
Kill 'em, kill 'em all!
General Stonewall Jackson
>>You mean the one where P.J. and Dolly strap the explosives vest on Barfy and tell him to test the security at the local ROTC center? That one was a hoot!<<
Oh, if I had the time to waste photoshopping! That would be such the awesome visual!
Yonif,
It doesn't make a damn bit of difference and hasn't for years.
Israel has chosen not to fight and as such will be Muslim Palestine shortly.
http://www.neoperspectives.com/rumsfeld.htm
Q [Palestinian general]: Mr. Secretary, You talked about countries that were trying to produce weapons of mass destruction. You talked about Iraq and you talked about Iran and North Korea. I have a question, a direct question to you. What are you doing with Israel? As far as Israel is concerned, Israel has more atomic weapons in the region than any other country. Why do you remain silent in regard to Israel? I think it’s important to answer this question because this has to do with the world, the strategy that we are pursuing today. I think that if the position towards Israel were different then the situation would be different in the Near East, and this is a great problem.
Rumsfeld: You know the answer before I give it, I’m sure. The world knows the answer. We take the world like you find it; and Israel is a small state with a small population. It’s a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood that in many -- over a period of time has opined from time to time that they’d prefer it not be there and they’d like it to be put in the sea. And Israel has opined that it would prefer not to get put in the sea, and as a result, over a period of decades, it has arranged itself so it hasn’t been put in the sea.
Thank you all very much.
Sorry, but I refuse to accept your idea of our fate. IDF soldiers fight every day whether you realize it or not. Free Republic is interesting. In one threat I have to defend Israel against charges of "indiscriminate murder" and in another we aren't fighting and killing enough.
Maybe she was using that newly invented Palestine Warp Drive and traveling at WARP FACTOR .000000001?
OK, so maybe I'm off by a few zeros!
Those crazy Muslims will do anything.
Er ... that wasnt the issue.
Sure she was in the wrong place, but she was also an unarmed 11-year-old girl killed by a soldier who was not threatened by her. The IDF needs to quit defending the guy who killed her and determine if in fact this met their 'rules of engagement'.
Other soldiers there say it was not the right response, and noted that the girl was apparently scared and confused. This was a very unfortunate incident and trying to justify it is IMHO inferior response to determining how to avoid it (while maintaining needed security).
This is like those cases we are finding in Iraq. We have been charging some soldiers with murder in cases where they killed Iraqi civilians outside the rules of engagement.
In one case, soldiers threw an Iraqi in a river and he drowned.
Yes, I notice that too. there is a 'kill 'em all' faction on these matters that doesnt acknowledge what we are doing. And then in the ugliness of war, there are always the folks with 20/20 hindsight ... and on this case, I have be on the 'it was unjustifed and wrong' camp.
The soldier didn't know that. And even if he did, and she was approaching the IDF position, he could not risk it, some IDF officers have said, because children have been used before for terror attacks.
The only thing that one can argue over concerns the after-shots, not the shooting of the Arab in the first place.
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=70169
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=73505
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=70265
True, true...
They should trace the dotted line back to see where it went.
I understand. The same thing happens among FReepers regarding the US and Bush. We have fights between the "bots" [my use of the term for those who can not think for themselves..who take anything posed by the President or the RepublicRat party as gospel and truth, regardless of its threat to our sovereignty or security] and real conservatives here all the time on things like immigration and terror.
The bots think unlimited immigration/amnesty is good for business, they fail to see the hypocrisy of a President who espouses "security" and yet fails to control the border purely because he doesn't want to insult any potential voters, and they disagree with the position that we aren't doing ENOUGH to fight terror [we are too PC, i.e the delay in the main fallujah assault which resulted in many soldiers deaths while we played around for wees and pulled back, failing to take out NK before they armed themselves with nukes and next Iran]..nor do they see the hypocrisy of placing more and more restrictions on our liberty as CITIZENS here at home, while allowing the real bad guys [islamonazis in our midst and illegals] to exist unhindered.
The inconsistencies are amazing.
yep
That's what they're doing. He's already been charged with firing into her once she was down. As to the question of whether she should have been targeted in the first place, many contend she was there to draw out personell, or she got lost on the way to school as the PA contends, I'd say this is highly relevant. Not to worry though, most of the media will portray her as a lost schoolgirl anyway.
You are wrong...
The IDF stopped a boy about 12 comming through a checkpoint.
He was carrying a back pack loaded with explosives, as they took it out there was a cell phone triggering device attached and the terrorists were calling the phone at that moment!!!!!!! The terrorists were going to blow up the IDF and the boy and anyone nearby. They didnt give a S--T! who they killed.
and even if it was a little girl, they (IDF) have a right to go home at the end of the Day.
If a Little Girl gets shot and killed...It is on the Terrorist's head.
This is not a Game that is played fair. this is a fight to the death and Israel has a right to defend itself.
Since this is a forum on opinions, you are likely to run into posts with different ideas in them. I would say that most posts at FR support Israel.
I certainly support Israel and its right to defend itself. The IDF probably has the hardest security job in the world. The main stream media never gives credit to the IDF, but will persucate them unmercilessly in cases like this thread talks about.
Maybe they should stock rubber bullets for cases like this.
The minute that the Palis know they can tie Israel's hands, as in forcing the IDF to wait to verify the facts in a situation of probable danger, then the scenario will be repeated indefinitely.
That "unarmed" girl threw her backpack at the soldiers after walking up the hill right through no-mans land. If I recall correctly, there seems to be a bit of a problem with explosive backpacks in Israel. You try pulling a squirt gun out and yelling freeze on LA cops and see how far you get.
That girl was killed to give propagandists like you foolish talking points. She was killed for you. Enjoy!
can't you see?? can't you see zionists!! it's a shortcut-praise allah
Please show the aerial view pic without 'censure'. Remember the Jenin "massacre" aerials????
"Now, you're forcing soldiers to carry alternate weaponry."
No, I am not forcing or even advocating that the IDF to do anything. A simple suggestion is a simple suggestion. The IDF should do whatever it takes to defend their country. If they do not have the resources, the need, or the desire to carry extra equipment, fine. I wholeheartedly support their right to do whatever it takes to keep Israel secure, regardless of the MSM distored view of the IDF's actions.
Trying doing that to a TSA agent in an American airport, I wonder what will happen.
"That "unarmed" girl threw her backpack at the soldiers after walking up the hill right through no-mans land."
So? what was in the backpack? How did killing her while she was going away, without the backpack, add to the security of the situation?
I support Israel's right to defend itself and defeat terrorist threats, but I don't see how this incident helped at all. It hurt.
"You try pulling a squirt gun out and yelling freeze on LA cops and see how far you get."
Actually, makes my point. Cops are trained to use deadly force, but only when warranted. Nobody was pointing a gun at any IDF soldier here, ie, no imminent threat. If a cop killed a kid who had a bulge in his pocket that looked like a gun, but turned out to be a banana, he'd be up on homocide charges.
And if cops killed unarmed children by mistake, you dont think there would be riots and marchers demanding 'justice'? Been there, done that. do you recall cleveland?
"That girl was killed to give propagandists like you foolish talking points."
Then, indeed is WAS a mistake for the IDF soldier to do this, since it harms IDF's image with no benefit to their security. This killing was, at a minimum, an unfortunate incident. If you can't see the tragedy of the child's death, at least consider how unhelpful it is to pacify and secure the region with such incidents fuelling anger and distrust.
BTW, I am not a propogandist, except when it comes to defending America. :-0
"Maybe they should stock rubber bullets for cases like this."
maybe. The Brits used them widely in Northern Ireland to handle riots and ambiguous cases where proportionate non-lethal methods were needed.
Of course this POV of the girl as a 'terrorist decoy' will never make it to the BBC.
Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are already made up.
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