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Medical marijuana: The real stakes
TownHall.com ^ | 12-10-04 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 12/17/2004 9:12:14 AM PST by inquest

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To: supercat; Theo; Spyder
"So you would say that people should be required to spend hundreds of dollars per month on pills even if they could get results they would deem equally acceptable with some plants they could cheaply grow themselves if allowed to?"

ATTENTION PHARMACEUTICALS!!

Here is your #1 reason NOT to develop marijuana-based drugs.

And I don't EVER AGAIN want to hear about how it's the government's fault, or the fault of the greedy pharmaceuticals, why there is not more medical marijuana research going on.

201 posted on 12/18/2004 1:25:07 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
You've got numbers on that, don't you?

No.

I mean, I'd look them up, but why?

To establish that your previously cited factoid had any significance.

202 posted on 12/18/2004 1:25:15 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: MarkL
"In case you weren't aware of the situation, "pain" can be a serious medical condition that adversely affects the lives of the sufferers."

True. It is also the hardest to prove or disprove, making the marijuana recommendation quite easy to get.

"She lives in Oakland, CA"

Now, why was I not surprised when I got to this part?

There's something about Oakland, CA., maybe something in the air or in the water, where standard prescription medication just does not work. The only medication that does seem to work, and work really well, is smoked marijuana.

Funny, isn't it? Gotta love anecdotal stories.

203 posted on 12/18/2004 1:33:36 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Actually, everything you have said on the Alaskan teen issue is nonsense.
A single poll taken at a time of legality is far more likely to get answers
that are truthful than a poll taken at a time of illegality when there is no
way to assure that there will not be repercussions for telling the truth.


204 posted on 12/18/2004 1:33:53 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: robertpaulsen

If justice prevails you will feel much pain in your life which you cannot prove.

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


205 posted on 12/18/2004 1:39:53 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: Know your rights
chronic pain will ruin your life.

But your chronic pain won't ruin robertpaulsen's life.

I wasn't kidding when I said that the most intense pain I've ever experienced was shingles (and this is coming from a guy who had a "torsion of the testicle," which is supposed to be the worst pain a man can ever have!).

While I was able to get over it, there are documented cases of people killing themselves due to the pain from shingles. When you've got pain at those levels, I'm all for giving whatever pain medication, legal or illegal, it takes to help the person cope with the pain.

Mark

206 posted on 12/18/2004 1:41:13 PM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: Know your rights
You read the link.

Are you saying that a simple congressional majority could not adopt a statute to ban alcohol? Where's your proof?

I don't recall an amendment for The Lever Food and Fuel Control Act of August 1917 which banned the production of distilled spirits for the duration of the war.

After the war was over, I don't recall an amendment for The War Prohibition Act of November 1918 which forbade the manufacture and sale of all intoxicating beverages of more than 2.75 percent alcohol content, beer and wine as well as hard liquor, until demobilization was completed.

A whole bunch of statutes passed by Congress.

Geez, there was passage early in 1913 of the Webb-Kenyon Act, a long-sought federal statute against transporting liquor into states that wished to block its entry.

207 posted on 12/18/2004 1:44:05 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: april15Bendovr

Try detoxing from propaganda!


208 posted on 12/18/2004 1:45:29 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: Know your rights

Are you willing to make that up-front admission?


209 posted on 12/18/2004 1:46:42 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith,
but as it were by the works of the law.
For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;


210 posted on 12/18/2004 1:48:58 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: robertpaulsen
"She lives in Oakland, CA"

Now, why was I not surprised when I got to this part?

There's something about Oakland, CA., maybe something in the air or in the water, where standard prescription medication just does not work. The only medication that does seem to work, and work really well, is smoked marijuana.

Funny, isn't it? Gotta love anecdotal stories.

It's especially interesting how you managed to ignore LOTS OF OTHER ITEMS included in my post. As I mentioned before, she worked with pain specialists, which is how she got the Rx for oxycontin. That's not exactly a drug that's easy to come by, if you're "faking it." The government looks long and hard at Drs who give Rx for oxycontin, especially over long periods of time (for her, it was nearly two years). And she started smoking MJ long before she ever moved to Oakland. She started while she lived in DesMoines, IA, and continued with a Rx from a Dr when she moved to CA.

Finally, "anecdotal" DOES NOT MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE! Of course, you're welcome to call me a liar when I say that I've seen her in pain without meds, using her "legitimate" perscribed drugs, and when she's using MJ. And in all three cases, she's far better off when she's using MJ. But, feel free to discount all I say, and call me a liar, since this is just my experience, another way to say, "anecdotal."

Mark

211 posted on 12/18/2004 1:49:05 PM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: MarkL
"Torsion and the Testicles" would be a great name for a band.

You had shingles and got through it without smoking marijuana. But you don't think others could, is that right?

I find it hard to believe, check that, impossible to believe, that marijuana would work better for shingles than any other drug out there. This is the first I've heard of that.

212 posted on 12/18/2004 1:55:37 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

It is a central nervous system shunt.
All pain is radically dissipated by this herb.
Your doubts stem from ignorance.


213 posted on 12/18/2004 1:59:56 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: robertpaulsen
It has everything to do with law. You're asking me to make an exception to the law for "certain responsible people".

No I'm not, and you know it. I asked you for your belief, you won't answer becuase it gives you away. Coward.

214 posted on 12/18/2004 1:59:59 PM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: MarkL
I don't doubt your story. I doubt her current level of pain, but I don't doubt your story.

I have this problem with people who use OxyContin, marijuana, and relief in the same sentence. Alarm bells go off.

215 posted on 12/18/2004 2:05:29 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
You're right. We don't have a clue. The numbers are all made up. There's a government conspiracy -- black helicopters and all.

I didn't say there wasn't any basis for your numbers--I just asked what the basis was. Certainly if the numbers do have some basis it should be possible to provide it. Indeed, even if I weren't interested in whether or not pot should be legalized, I'd be interested to know how drug use can me measured without the measurement accuracy being affected by things like legalization.

216 posted on 12/18/2004 2:05:31 PM PST by supercat (To call the Constitution a 'living document' is to call a moth-infested overcoat a 'living garment'.)
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To: robertpaulsen
So I ask you again, You have no problem with anyone using any substance they want as long as they take the responsibility?

Don't be yellow, don't equivocate, stop the music and stop dancing.

Just admit you lied, go on, just do it, the truth will set you free.

217 posted on 12/18/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: PaxMacian
"It is a central nervous system shunt."

Thank you, Doctor Pax.

You never did answer my question. Should the government make it legal for 10-year-olds to smoke marijuana for their medical condition? Let's make it easy -- ALL ages.

Yes? No?

218 posted on 12/18/2004 2:09:40 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Protagoras
"You have no problem with anyone using any substance they want as long as they take the responsibility?"

I answered you. I DO have a problem with that and I told you exactly WHY I do have a problem with that.

Plus it's a dumb question that you would not ask of any other activity without being laughed off the forum. I've been nice to you, but that won't last too much longer.

219 posted on 12/18/2004 2:14:55 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I answered you.

No you didn't.

I DO have a problem with that and I told you exactly WHY I do have a problem with that.

The real reason you have a problem with it isn't any of the off topic childish crap you have posted. The real reason is that you are in love with authoritarianism. You are an elitist who thinks government should be in charge of every aspect of our lives because we are too dumb to be in charge ourselves. In short, you are a big government liberal.

I've been nice to you, but that won't last too much longer.

You haven't been nice, you called me a fascist.

Plus it's a dumb question

It's not a dumb question, it's just an embarassing one for you. You tried to make the lame point that your problem with people being free to use whatever substance was that they weren't taking responsibility for themselves. You have since done the backwards rumba and every kind of other dance to keep from admitting it was all BS. Just like the rest of the BS you spew here daily.

PS, I don't care if you are nice. You are a twit.

And don't start crying now about namecalling, when you call people fascists, it always goes downhill.

220 posted on 12/18/2004 2:28:06 PM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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