Posted on 12/17/2004 9:12:14 AM PST by inquest
With the consent of his paerents, of course ... just as he may nowe legally make medical use of much stronger drugs.
Nope.
So all your ruckus about contaminants was just a smokescreen. Why am I not surprised?
After re-illegalization, teen marijuana use in Alaska dropped to that of the lower 48.
If you smoke marijuana in spite of all the evidence that shows it diminishes cognitive ability, then you're already an idiot and it probably won't do much harm.
I see. Taking out the bacteria and fungi makes marijuana safe for everyone to use? Is that what you're saying?
Medical marijuana - BAD. Religious peyote - GOOD. Go figure.
It didn't.
"Encouraged by such signs of progress as six state prohibition laws since 1907 and congressional passage early in 1913 of the Webb-Kenyon Act, a long-sought federal statute against transporting liquor into states that wished to block its entry, the Anti-Saloon League declared in November 1913 that it would seek a federal constitutional amendment providing for nationwide prohibition."
"An amendment to the Constitution obviously appealed to temperance reformers more than a federal statute banning liquor. A simple congressional majority could adopt a statute but, with the shift of a relatively few votes, could likewise topple one. Drys feared that an ordinary law would be in constant danger of being overturned owing to pressure from liquor industry interests or the growing population of liquor-using immigrants. A constitutional amendment, on the other hand, though more difficult to achieve, would be impervious to change. Their reform would not only have been adopted, the Anti-Saloon League reasoned, but would be protected from future human weakness and backsliding.
Post #188 from http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/rnp/RNP1.html
Measured how?
Unless there are secret spy cameras in everybody's home, how are you going to know how many people are actually smoking pot? If the study used any sort of polls or surveys, the results are meaningless, since it is quite possible that legalization of pot would double the percentage of people who would admit to using it, whether or not it had any effect whatsoever on the number of people who actually did.
Further, with just about any drug, usage will cause more problems for some people than for others. If the drug is being banned because it causes serious problems for some people, the n for the ban to accomplish a useful goal it should reduce usage among the people for whom the drug would otherwise cause serious problems. If the people among whom the ban reduces usage are those who would not have had problems anyway, what's the point?
So you would say that people should be required to spend hundreds of dollars per month on pills even if they could get results they would deem equally acceptable with some plants they could cheaply grow themselves if allowed to?
http://www.marijuana-anonymous.org/Pages/detox.html
Detoxing from Marijuana
What is Detoxing?
Detoxing is the way in which your body gets rid of the toxins accumulated from years of using. It happens the first few days or weeks after getting clean and/or sober. It is also the very beginning of getting used to dealing with reality and real feelings with no numbing agent.
Can there be physical effects from quitting marijuana?
In spite of numerous years of being told that there are no physiological effects from marijuana addiction, many of our recovering members have had definite withdrawal symptoms. Whether the causes are physical or psychological, the results are physical. Others have just had emotional and mental changes as they stop using their drug of choice. There is no way of telling before quitting who will be physically uncomfortable and who will not. Most members have only minor physical discomfort if any at all. This pamphlet is for those who are having trouble and wonder what's happening to them.
Why do some effects last so long?
Unlike most other drugs, including alcohol, THC (the active chemical in marijuana) is stored in the fat cells and therefore takes longer to fully clear the body than with any other common drug. This means that some parts of the body still retain THC even after a couple of months, rather than just the couple of days or weeks for water soluble drugs.
Can this affect a drug test?
The experiences of some members have shown that if you quit marijuana and expect to take a drug test you should not go on a crash diet at the same time. Fasting, or a crash diet, can release the THC into the bloodstream very rapidly and can give a positive reading. This has happened to several of our members, but each time only with crash diets and major weight loss, not with just eating less than usual.
What are some of the more common symptoms?
By far the most common symptom of withdrawal is insomnia. This can last from a few nights of practically no sleep at all, up to a few months of occasional sleeplessness. The next most common symptom is depression (that is, if you're not euphoric), and next are nightmares and vivid dreams. Marijuana use tends to dampen the dreaming mechanism, so that when you do get clean the dreams come back with a crash. They can be vivid color, highly emotional dreams or nightmares, even waking up then coming back to the same dream. The very vivid, every-night dreams usually don't start for about a week or so. They last for about a month at most and then taper off. "Using" dreams (dreams involving the use of marijuana) are very common, and although they're not as vivid or emotional as at first, they last for years and are just considered a normal part of recovery.
The fourth most common symptom is anger. This can range from a slow burning rage to constant irritability to sudden bursts of anger when least expected: anger at the world, anger at loved ones, anger at oneself, anger at being an addict and having to get clean. Emotional jags are very common, with emotions bouncing back and forth between depression, anger, and euphoria. Occasionally experienced is a feeling of fear or anxiety, a loss of the sense of humor, decreased sex drive, or increased sex drive. Most all of these symptoms fade to normal emotions by three months. Loss of concentration for the first week or month is also very common and this sometimes affects the ability to learn for a very short while.
What about physical symptoms?
The most common physical symptom is headaches. For those who have them, they can last for a few weeks up to a couple of months, with the first few days being very intense. The next most common physical symptom is night sweats, sometimes to the point of having to change night clothes. They can last from a few nights to a month or so. Sweating is one of the body's natural ways of getting rid of toxins. Hand sweats are very common and are often accompanied by an unpleasant smell from the hands. Body odor is enough in many instances to require extra showers or baths. Coughing up phlegm is another way the body cleans itself. This can last for a few weeks to well over six months.
One third of the addicts who responded to a questionnaire on detoxing said they had eating problems for the first few days and some for up to six weeks. Their main symptoms were loss of appetite, sometimes enough to lose weight temporarily, digestion problems or cramps after eating, and nausea, occasionally enough to vomit (only for a day or two). Most of the eating problems were totally gone before the end of a month.
The next most common physical symptoms experienced were tremors or shaking and dizziness. Less frequently experienced were kidney pains, impotency, hormone changes or imbalances, low immunity or chronic fatigue, and some minor eye problems that resolved at around two months. There have been cases of addicts having more severe detox symptoms, however this is rare. For intense discomfort, see a doctor, preferably one who is experienced with detoxing.
How can I reduce discomfort?
For some of the milder detoxing symptoms, a few home remedies have proven to be useful:
* Hot soaking baths can help the emotions as well as the body.
* Drink plenty of water and clear liquids, just like for the flu.
* Cranberry juice has been used effectively for years by recovery houses to help purify and cleanse the body.
* Really excessive sweating can deplete the body of potassium, a necessary mineral. A few foods high in potassium are: melons, bananas, citrus fruits, green leafy vegetables, and tomatoes.
* Eliminate fat from the diet until digestion is better.
* Greatly reduce or eliminate caffeine until the sleep pattern is more normal or the shakes are gone.
* The old fashioned remedy for insomnia, a glass of warm milk before bedtime, helps some people.
* Exercise not only helps depression and other unpleasant emotions, it helps the body speed up the healing process.
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For all the times you've raised the Alaska case, this is the first time I've seen you make this claim. What's your source?
In case you weren't aware of the situation, "pain" can be a serious medical condition that adversely affects the lives of the sufferers.
I have to live with chronic pain from arthritis, luckily I can get by with ibuprofin, although I've got Rxs for more powerful, narcotic drugs, which I very rarely use (I can't work if I take them). I do NOT use MJ at all. I just wanted to make that point here. But I've also known very severe, long term pain. I had "shingles" and it took more then 6 months for the pain to completely subside. The first 2 months were the worst. There were nights where I really wanted to die, and even with a Rx for oxycontin, the pain was serious. And I like to think that I have a very high pain threshhold.
This is completely anecdotal, but it's a real situation. I've got a friend who was in a severe auto accident a number of years ago. Many broken bones, including a smashed pelvis. To this day, she suffers severs pain due to the accident. She has Rxs for narcotic pain meds, including oxycontin. However, all of those leave her in a state where she really can't do anything. They also seem to supress her appitite, and she's already a size 0, being about 5' tall, and 95#. She lives in Oakland, CA, and she's been using the "medical MJ" for some time. Actually, she was buying it illegally even before, because she liked the relief it gave her better than the "legal" narcotic drugs that she could be taking. It doesn't leave her in a "comatose" state, where all she wants to do is sleep. It's also increased her appetite, and the last time I spoke to her, she said that she's gained 5 pounds over the last 6 months, which for her, is really something.
The thing is, that chronic pain will ruin your life. I'm all for giving people who live in chronic pain whatever relief they need. Even if that relief is not scientifically proven.
Mark
Less unsafe.
"A simple congressional majority could adopt a statute [to ban alcohol]"
Says who?
Many approved medicines, and legal recreational drugs, have withdrawal effects. What's your point?
You've got numbers on that, don't you? Plus, TKDietz made some general claim that the numbers were about equal.
I mean, I'd look them up, but why? You'd just make some excuse that they weren't valid, so why bother?
Now, if you're willing to admit up front that if the teen numbers today were about equal, it means that legalization for adults does impact teen use ... well, I'd make the effort.
But hey, thanks for playing on this thread. We've got some nice parting gifts for you backstage. Don't let the door hit ya.
But your chronic pain won't ruin robertpaulsen's life.
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