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Privatizing Social Security in Latin America
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Posted on 12/17/2004 1:38:01 PM PST by ddtorque

Almost 18 years ago, Chile privatized its pension system, a move that eventually led to one of its most important cultural and economic transformations of the latter part of this century. Seven other Latin American countries have followed the Chilean example to some degree, and several others are considering such a move.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assets; economy; latinamerica; pension; reform; socialsecurity
This is very interesting: International Center for Pension Reform
1 posted on 12/17/2004 1:38:02 PM PST by ddtorque
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I like the system we have now, I pay , you pay, and some guy who never works gets taken care of, it's really sweet


2 posted on 12/17/2004 1:39:48 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Support our troops.........)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Ditto!


3 posted on 12/17/2004 1:42:24 PM PST by Mears
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To: ddtorque
So banana republics are supposed to be the ideal model for our social security system?

No Thanks.

4 posted on 12/17/2004 1:54:18 PM PST by Willie Green
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No, It isn't supposed to be the model.

It's an experiment, and it happened to work there.


5 posted on 12/17/2004 2:12:05 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Support our troops.........)
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To: Willie Green

Just because it was done in a "banana republic" doesn't mean the idea doesn't have merit. To me, that's not a good enough reason to dismiss it out of hand.

If nothing else, why not see if a few tweaks could make it work here? The system we have now is a total joke. You can't say that of a successful model, no matter where it originated. The U.S. doesn't have a lock on the smartest economists.


6 posted on 12/17/2004 2:15:49 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: Willie Green
So banana republics are supposed to be the ideal model for our social security system? No Thanks.

Ah yes, the old Not-Invented-Here Syndrome. That attitude has contributed to the demise of many organizations, from businesses to armies to entire nations.

Chile and other "banana republics" have figured out that a government-run Ponzi scheme is not the best pension system. I wonder how long it will take before the United States figures it out as well.
7 posted on 12/17/2004 2:17:39 PM PST by Logophile
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To: LauraleeBraswell
It's an experiment, and it happened to work there.

No it didn't.
Chile is still a banana republic with a greater disparity in household income distribution, high unemployment and a larger proportion of its population living below the poverty level.

8 posted on 12/17/2004 2:35:25 PM PST by Willie Green
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The system we have now is a total joke.

I agree 100%

But I'm also opposed to Dubya's plan to abusively utilize government's power of taxation to provide a guaranteed revenue stream to private financial institutions from which they'll extract their fees and commissions.

THAT is an abomination.
And I'm not about to listen to any gobbledegook doubletalk about whether we peons have a "choice" as to how the funds are invested as long as a goddam mandatory TAX is involved. That is pure BS that I will NOT tolerate from some butthead (meaning Dubya, not you) who claims to be a conservative.

9 posted on 12/17/2004 2:47:28 PM PST by Willie Green
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Perhaps. But the fact remains that we're gonna get taxed anyway, so I would much rather have some choices than none at all.


10 posted on 12/17/2004 2:51:31 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: Willie Green
The name "privatizing" takes on added significance when the gubmint retains the right to describe the investment. There was a retirement plan that was private in all respects in the first 150 years of our nation. It was called responsibility for your own old age.

It worked somewhat better than the present system because the gubmint did not steal the nest egg under the matress. Now we have a discussion of privatizing where the government will let you keep a small percentage of your hard earned wage to do with as the gubmint sees fit and then they will continue to steal the rest. How can you turn down a deal like that?

11 posted on 12/17/2004 3:08:23 PM PST by meenie
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To: exnavychick
But the fact remains that we're gonna get taxed anyway, so I would much rather have some choices than none at all.

I dislike taxes same as anybody else.
But if we ARE going to be taxed, I'd prefer that the money be retained within legitimate, government operated programs (whether I agree with the specific program or not). I simply do not agree with allowing private financial institutions to tap into a tax revenue stream to siphon off their fees and commissions.

If I want to invest in the private sector for my retirement, let me keep my money upfront, and allow me TOTAL voluntary control over how much (if any) I invest and how I invest it. Maybe it'll be in stocks, bonds and mutual funds. Maybe it'll be in real property: a small business, rental homes, etc. etc. But that is NOT what Dubya is proposing, and I'm not falling for his BS.

12 posted on 12/17/2004 3:12:12 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: meenie
The name "privatizing" takes on added significance when the gubmint retains the right to describe the investment.

Precisely. It's merely redirecting the cash-flow of a tax revenue stream into the coffers of politically favored financial institutions where the managers can extract their fees and commissions.

BS. Let me keep my money and let ME decide whether I want to invest with some broker on Wall Street or in some rental property on my own hometown Main Street instead. (where I'd have more personal control over my investment).

13 posted on 12/17/2004 3:20:55 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
But I'm also opposed to Dubya's plan to abusively utilize government's power of taxation to provide a guaranteed revenue stream to private financial institutions from which they'll extract their fees and commissions.

Not to mention a guarenteed investment stream to polically-approved businesses. I can't believe that so many people are being taken by this nonsense.

The govt is about to CONFISCATE our income to funnel to their cronies, while many that claim to be conservatives applaud.
14 posted on 12/18/2004 7:10:56 PM PST by self_evident
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