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To: Kitten Festival

Nope.

Chavez has popular support. He was democratically elected, even the Whitehouse will admit this.

Chavez does not give money to Cuba he gives Oil in exchange for Doctors.

I sense hypocracy over this. When Chavez was taken out by a coup without the support of the majority of hte country that was good.

When Chavez grants and wins a recall referendum that is bad.

Chavez WON fairly. You will be lucky to find a Government that claims these elections were fraudulent. The only people complaining are the ones with the must to lose, the very people that have been screwing the poor of venezuela for decades.


11 posted on 12/18/2004 6:43:20 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

Wrong - the White House has NEVER said they accept the Carter endorsement. This is a fact. Go to the State Dept Web site and see if you can see any endorsement at all. All that Powell has acknowledged since the fraudulent recall referendum is that Chavez is still in power - a simple recognition of reality. The State Dept said they would withold judgment until they get Carter's word but the fact is, they have witheld judgment SINCE getting Carter's word, knowing full well how bad it is.

His support is NOT Democratically elected. It is pure fraud. And everything since then is pure fraud., I sense we have a chavista flame troll on this Web site.


12 posted on 12/18/2004 6:52:20 AM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: kingsurfer

**The only people complaining are the ones with the must to lose, the very people that have been screwing the poor of venezuela for decades.**

I suspect the support of the poor is great and short term some quality of life has improved. On the other hand, the Communists and Fascists and Islamics all pandered to the poor at the beginnings but the long run effects in negative for the country.

The main difference between the Revolutions and political changes in England and America vrs the Revolutions in France, Russia and other places like Peron in Argentina is that fear of the Mob (or the Poor) caused the USA and England to put checks and balances in the use of power and that more respectible and stable middle classes vrs the mob ran the show.

If our Founding Fathers had given everyone the vote in 1776 we would no longer be a Republic but a dictatorship. By restricting the vote to male property owners at the time the country did more to promote economic growth and freedom than if we had concentrated on providing the needs of the "poor".


28 posted on 12/18/2004 10:39:47 AM PST by Swiss
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