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Groupthink and You
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^
| 08/29/01
| Karen De Coster and Brad Edmonds
Posted on 12/18/2004 6:12:31 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: Revolting cat!
Uh, I hate to say this, but you are sorely mistaken.
Peggy Noonan completely agrees with what my understanding is and always has been of the Bay of Pigs.
I have no idea what made you think otherwise from my post. I called it (multiple times) a "fiasco" as did Ms. Noonan.
What about the word "fiasco" do you not understand?
Perhaps you need to clean your contacts, Revolting.
To: NMC EXP
To: Forgiven_Sinner
I work at Caterpillar Small world. Which facility?
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posted on
12/19/2004 5:51:28 AM PST
by
NMC EXP
(Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
To: ScottM1968
No one stood up to Kennedy about doing this rather bizarre thing.This was the provocation. Who says the Bay of Pigs idea, because in the contect you're referring to the idea or the plan, was a "bizarre thing"? Why?
Was the liberation of Grenada a "bizarre thing"? Invasion of Panama? (The last one was, I think.)
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:30:36 AM PST
by
Revolting cat!
("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
To: Revolting cat!
"The Bay of Pigs invasion was badly planned, poorly executed and almost wildly unrealistic. (Months before it began former secretary of state Dean Acheson told JFK, in a private Rose Garden conversation, that you didnt need Price Waterhouse to figure out 1,500 guerillas arent going to beat 25,000 Cuban regulars.)" The above was in the short paragraph you quoted Peggy as having said.
I didn't have knowledge of her words until you posted them, Revolting! I called it "bizarre". She called it "wildly unrealistic". In this context, it is the same.
Get over it.
To: NMC EXP
Building PPK for T&SD in Peoria.
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posted on
12/19/2004 1:31:11 PM PST
by
Forgiven_Sinner
(Praying for the Kingdom of God)
To: NMC EXP
It is our contention that group projects are criminal in themselves and should be abolished on moral grounds, in that they function as collectivist indoctrination. Like government schools, group projects homogenize thought and neuter high achievers. In this the author is correct. This mindset is very common in public high schools. High achiever does the text, middle achiever does the poster board, low achiever does the art work and another low achiever films the group in action.
And what is learned? that everyone gets the same grade, and that school work can be a social project. And this is promoted in each grade and in each subject.
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posted on
12/19/2004 1:58:28 PM PST
by
KC_for_Freedom
(Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
To: stevefromcalifornia
I went to team-building once. The next time they scheduled team-building, I told my boss I was planning on being out sick that week. Team building is destructive and counter-productive.
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posted on
12/19/2004 2:05:03 PM PST
by
gitmo
(Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
To: NMC EXP
As much as I dislike being a lawyer right now, individualism is one thing that the law firm has got going for it. There's really no such thing as working in a group. Sure, you might have several lawyers working on a case, but they've all got their individual parts that need to be accomplished to the best of their ability, or they'll be singled out for poor performance individually. Most of time time, you're working on your own.
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posted on
12/19/2004 2:10:18 PM PST
by
July 4th
(A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
To: Forgiven_Sinner
Building PPK for T&SD in Peoria. Pioneer Park...I know it well.
Given my opinion of SS I hope you understand that I won't be disclosing details about myself.
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12/19/2004 3:14:42 PM PST
by
NMC EXP
(Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
To: KC_for_Freedom
I agree. They start this group work nonsense in 1st grade. There is nothing inherently wrong with team work, it has its proper place but the first thing a person must learn is to stand on his own hind legs and get the most from himself.
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posted on
12/19/2004 3:18:08 PM PST
by
NMC EXP
(Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
To: NMC EXP
Groupthink is endemic in our society bump.
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posted on
12/21/2004 5:13:27 PM PST
by
jonestown
( JONESTOWN, TX http://www.tsha.utexas.edu)
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