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To: NMC EXP
A lot of this is true. I went through business school and can vouch for parts of it.

However, "groupthink" is commonly described as the inability of some to stand up against the rest of the group. The classic example given in one class was the Bay of Pigs fiasco. No one stood up to Kennedy about doing this rather bizarre thing. Because no one offered a differing view, all thought they were the only ones not on board with the President. And so the fiasco came to be.

In business school, we were all encouraged to get our ideas out, but then they would be shot down for one reason or another. That alone stops the classic version of "groupthink."

I would like to see no grades issued for anything save for the midterms and finals. Cheating helps too many as it is when assignments are supposed to be individual. When in groups, the slackers do ride while those working may only grow to understand their part of the assignment (for lack of time to review the other work).

If no grades were given for all non-midterm and final work, slackers or cheaters would wind up with a grade befitting them. And the rest of us would get the grade we earned.
4 posted on 12/18/2004 6:24:56 PM PST by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968
Bay of Pigs

Ah yes, the Bay of Bigs and the Leftist version of history, the predominant one, what else, that you, like most, seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker. Peggy Noonan's brief version: (there are others.) (emphasis mine)

"Forty-two years ago this spring, in April 1961, a young American president launched an amphibious invasion on a foreign shore. It was such a thorough failure that to this day the words “Bay of Pigs” are shorthand for “American military fiasco.” The American-trained Cuban exiles who stormed the beaches of Cuba in hopes of liberating their homeland were, essentially, abandoned and left to die, denied the support they’d been promised by the U.S. government. Fidel Castro crushed them. The Bay of Pigs invasion was badly planned, poorly executed and almost wildly unrealistic. (Months before it began former secretary of state Dean Acheson told JFK, in a private Rose Garden conversation, that you didn’t need Price Waterhouse to figure out 1,500 guerillas aren’t going to beat 25,000 Cuban regulars.) And yet after the invasion, when Kennedy both acknowledged the failure and took responsibility for it, he won the support of the American people. His approval rating jumped to 82%. He rallied. History, and his administration, went on." Link

15 posted on 12/18/2004 7:05:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: ScottM1968
No one stood up to Kennedy about doing this rather bizarre thing.

This was the provocation. Who says the Bay of Pigs idea, because in the contect you're referring to the idea or the plan, was a "bizarre thing"? Why?

Was the liberation of Grenada a "bizarre thing"? Invasion of Panama? (The last one was, I think.)

24 posted on 12/19/2004 9:30:36 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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