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Kansas Woman Said to Show Off Stolen Baby (Woah...) Stolen Baby Reunited with Father
Yahoo News ^ | 12/18/04 | JOHN MILBURN

Posted on 12/18/2004 8:12:56 PM PST by Libloather

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To: KMG

This is just horrific! Thanks for posting the messages.


41 posted on 12/19/2004 8:57:02 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: KMG
From the article I posted in 16:

Chillingly, the man said Montgomery had posted a week ago on the Internet site that "she was going to have her baby on Thursday," the day of the murder. He believes this indicates a certain level of premeditation.

What website is he talking about?

42 posted on 12/19/2004 8:59:24 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: oceanperch
Sick very Sick. A future fore warning for doggie breeders, careful who you share your love of dogs with.

Or advertise anything for sale, a car, puppies, anything. This could be looked at as a specific warning about relationships on the internet, but I think that is simplistic, and I still think relationships on the internet are no more or less likely to be dangerous than any other place where people meet strangers. We all need to try to be open to that 'spidey sense' that tells us something is wrong, and not deny those instincts.

43 posted on 12/19/2004 9:10:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Nita Nupress

That's her. Apparently she used an alias.


44 posted on 12/19/2004 9:18:01 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: bushfamfan

Take that back. Her alias was Darlene but you're right that it looks just like her.


45 posted on 12/19/2004 9:20:13 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: Libloather
Need legal mind to explain the charge "kidnapping resulting in death".

Why not murder 1, and aggravated assault on a baby, aggravated kidnapping?
46 posted on 12/19/2004 9:28:40 AM PST by G Larry (Admiral James Woolsey as National Intelligence Director)
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To: sissyjane

I agree, there was NO way Bobbie could have known what was going to happen! Not only had she "known" Lisa Montgomery from the message board for a long period of time, Bobbie had also been involved with dog shows with Lisa. This link shows a photo taken of a group of people after one of these dog shows: http://imageevent.com/happyhaven/ukcshows/abilene42004?n=0&z=2&c=4&x=1&m=24&w=0&p=0

Lisa Montgomery is shown 2nd from the left, with Bobbie and husband Zeb on the far right. Even though Lisa contacted Bobbie to come to see her puppy as a "Darlene Fischer" when Bobbie saw her "friend" Lisa at the door (and knowing her for some time in person, as well as the message board) I'm sure she would have opened her front door with open arms to her "friend?" That is what makes this crime so extra horrifying!

As far as I can see, the only thing that would have saved Bobbie from what happened to her would have been a "rule" to never meet a customer alone. But... with all the planning Lisa put into this, and Bobbie "knowing" Lisa, I can't even see where she would have had a chance. Lisa as "herself" had already gained Bobbie's trust... all on her own... and Lisa had no reason to NOT let Lisa into her home!

I am sending a link to a memorial album set up for Bobbie's family for anyone interested in helping the family:
http://imageevent.com/bdoglvg/inmemoryofbobbiestinnett

Sincerely,
Karen Goodale


47 posted on 12/21/2004 3:30:47 AM PST by KMG
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To: stm

I think this is the federal charge. There has to be a way to assume federal jurisdiction and that is through the federal kidnapping statute. The states have jurisdiction over murders within their borders, but the federal government doesn't have such jurisdiction unless there is some nexus to them, like murder of a federal agent, kidnapping across state lines, etc. If the state prosecutes, undoubtedly it will be first degree.


48 posted on 12/21/2004 3:48:06 AM PST by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: G Larry
The "kidnapping resulting in death" charge is just the federal one; it's a convenient way to keep the killer in a dark hole until extradition back to Missouri can be arranged. Since the murder took place in Missouri, there isn't a federal murder charge available. (Murder is not a crime at the federal level except in unusual circumstances, such as murdering a federal agent or committing murder while a federal prisoner.)

There wouldn't be a federal kidnapping charge available either, except Montgomery took the baby across a state line. The distinction between "kidnapping resulting in death" and plain old kidnapping is that the former is a death-penalty crime, even at the federal level, whereas the latter isn't. The feds are keeping their options open in case something goes wrong with the state murder charge in Missouri.

Indeed, the federal charge may be the simplest and quickest way to get this Montgomery person put down like the rabid b**** she is. There's no question the baby was kidnapped; there's no question the kidnapping resulted in a death; there's no question this Montgomery person planned the kidnapping, regardless of whether she wielded the knife. So the federal kidnapping charge is a) open-and-shut and b) sufficient to receive the death penalty.

49 posted on 12/21/2004 4:03:11 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: Centaur

If the Feds try it I doubt they will seek the death penalty. That would be a miscarriage of justice in my layman's opinion


50 posted on 12/21/2004 10:51:28 AM PST by stm
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To: Nita Nupress

She (Lisa) posted on a homebirth forum that I frequent. I don't want to give out the URL because it's a relatively small "community", but she posted in October and again in November. She said she was planning a homebirth and was wondering if there was anything she was forgetting to get as far as supplies. I guess she was getting her "cover story" ready or whatever.

It is just so sickening.


51 posted on 12/21/2004 11:22:27 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (The same thing we do every day, Pinky. We're going to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Hey, MA.....that is SOOO creepy.

Goes to show you, you NEVER know who you are chatting with. We worry about our kids....but adults can be victims too. Guess the moral is: always keep your guard up no matter how long you've "chatted" with someone.


52 posted on 12/21/2004 11:24:17 AM PST by bonfire
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To: KoRn
I actually love that The NYTimes et al keep calling the baby a fetus; by doing so, they acknowledge that this is what a "fetus" is: a creature that looks suspiciously like a baby.
53 posted on 12/21/2004 11:26:20 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Libloather

If she had pulled the baby out feet first and crushed its head before it was all the way out, it would have just been a partial birth abortion.


54 posted on 12/21/2004 11:27:34 AM PST by Mr. K (I support a strong defense policy, but see no reason to conduct it while sober.)
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To: bonfire

It is creepy, for sure, we're all a bunch of moms with babies over there!

But it is also significant, since she would have already miscarried (if she were even pregnant in the first place) and was making sure she could "register" the baby and get a birth certificate. It seems she had this planned for a while. Poor Bobbie Jo :-(

And I can't help but wonder how many other sick freaks are out there just lurking, reading... Makes me want to go out and buy a big bad mo of a shotgun :-)


55 posted on 12/21/2004 11:49:40 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (The same thing we do every day, Pinky. We're going to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!)
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To: KMG

Welcome to FR.


56 posted on 12/21/2004 11:51:59 AM PST by agrace
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To: MisterRepublican

More like big time premeditation...sounds like she has been planning this since October.


57 posted on 12/21/2004 11:55:53 AM PST by najida (Well lookee here! Cute shoes, chocolate and my own remote control.)
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To: rdcorso

But she has two high school age children of her own, so she isn't totally childless or barren.

Weird.


58 posted on 12/21/2004 11:57:06 AM PST by najida (Well lookee here! Cute shoes, chocolate and my own remote control.)
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To: Nita Nupress

He didn't trust her. Very interesting...


59 posted on 12/21/2004 11:59:27 AM PST by cyborg (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/flamelily.html)
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Her (Lisa Montgomery) email was fischer4kids@hotmail.com ....that translates to "fishing for kids" to me...premeditated for sure. Just plain evil.


Life is not hard, just get a job and don't kill anybody.
by me..richandfamous


60 posted on 12/28/2004 6:03:00 AM PST by richandfamous
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