well this sucks... let me get this straight, they let the cowards who made other Troops do THEIR JOB get off scottfree and then jail Troops for dogrobbing to get INO THE WAR???
this sends the WRONG message to the Troops...
Posted on 12/19/2004 8:54:35 AM PST by Sunshine55
To: U.S. Congress
Six Ohio-based reservists were court-martialed for taking Army vehicles abandoned in Kuwait by other units so they could carry out their own unit's mission to Iraq.
Members of the 656th Transportation Company said they needed the equipment to deliver fuel that was needed by U.S. forces in Iraq for everything from helicopters to tanks.
The reservists took two tractor-trailers and stripped parts from a five-ton truck that had been abandoned in Kuwait by other units that had already moved into Iraq, one of the reservists, Darrell Birt of Columbus, told the Associated Press on Sunday.
Birt, a former chief warrant officer, and the others were charged with theft, destruction of Army property and conspiracy to cover up their crimes. Birt said he and two others pleaded guilty and the other three were convicted. All received six-month sentences.
"Nobody ever reported these trucks stolen. The deal was, when you are moving, if it was going to take more than 30 minutes to fix it, you left it," said Birt, who was released in November. "I'm a Christian man and I can't ignore what we did, but it was justified to get us in the fight and to sustain the fight."
Last week, the military said it would not court-martial any of 23 other Army reservists who refused a mission transporting fuel along a dangerous road in Iraq, complaining that their vehicles were in poor condition and did not have armor. And on Wednesday, U.S. soldiers complained to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in Kuwait that they have to scrounge in landfills for scrap metal and discarded bullet-resistant glass to provide armor for their vehicles.
The reservists had to move their equipment along with the fuel and likely did not have enough vehicles to do so in one trip, their former battalion commander, Lt. Col. Christopher Wicker, said.
"That would have required multiple trips back. They do not have many cargo trucks. They are fuel haulers," he told the Associated Press.
But once the reservists were done with the assignment, they should have sought out the units the vehicles belonged to, he said.
"Instead of taking the trucks back to their rightful owners, the first thing was erasing the identity marks and dumping them off at bases," Wicker said. "They destroyed it. They did the enemy's job. ... Those trucks could be used for other units."
Wicker ordered the investigation of the thefts, which occurred before he assumed the battalion post.
"Taking the trucks in my mind was not the worst thing they did," Wicker said from Fort Hood, Texas, where he is now with the Army's 13th Corps Support Command.
The 656th's former company commander, Maj. Cathy Kaus, told the Chicago Tribune in Sunday's editions that although she knew the equipment had been stolen, she could not determine its owners. The Tribune said the vehicles were never reported stolen, according to court-martial transcripts.
Kaus is serving a six-month sentence. She and Birt have applied for clemency, which could restore their military benefits and change their dishonorable discharges.
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Restore these troops to their former ranks with benefits at ONCE or give them an honorable discharge. If units that are lower on the supply chain can't get spare parts from those higher in the hierarchy, where are they supposed to get them? Immediately release and restore to rank Major Cathy Kaus and Chief Warrant Officer Darrell Birt and all Soldiers serving under their command in the 656th Transportation Company who were unfairly punished for doing their job in supporting and saving the lives of our men and women on the battlefront. The charges that have been brought against them are an insult to all who support our troops in Iraq.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
http://www.petitiononline.com/su5nshin/petition.html
And your point in posting this. . . .?
Sorry this didn't link properly. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't :o/
You need an explanation?
Yes. . .I do.
This is the part that will, and should get them. Had they taken what was needed and then at least tried to find the unit that the trucks belonged to, I suspect nothing would have come of this.
The vehicles had been abandoned by units that had already left for Iraq. Leave the fighting forces alone to do their job, and stop prosecuting them for ridiculous and outdated rules of military conduct, just to be politically correct, out of the belief that the public wants what is currently happening to our troops. Same goes for Second Lt. Erick Anderson, Capt. Rogelio Maynulet, and the Marine that shot the insurgent that was playing dead.
Thanks for posting this; I signed it. They should be getting medals for doing what needed to be done to get the job done, dammit.
Signed. They should get Letters of Reprimand - maybe - but not confinement and DD's.
We had a damaged jet that was left in a hangar at my base. After about a month it started looking like a car that was parked in a bad section of town. Needless to say, when the unit that owned the jet showed back up to fix it there was hell to pay. I think most of the parts were eventually returned, but it was pretty funny.
This is NOT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Troops will always steal parts rather than requisition new parts. The army has had strict rules about cannibalization for at least 30 years (when I served) and I suspect long before that. If you're under fire that's one thing, but these people were not. When their mission was over they could have reported the trucks position to the owning unit.
EVERYTHING that seems odd to you is not POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
This is nothing but midnight requisition. They used the resources for official not person use. The received no personal gain from this Gov property. Has the Army gone bonkers. Do the bean counters run everything these days?
well this sucks... let me get this straight, they let the cowards who made other Troops do THEIR JOB get off scottfree and then jail Troops for dogrobbing to get INO THE WAR???
this sends the WRONG message to the Troops...
I know some people who stole a BUNCH of stuff from a supply depot in Okinawa, to keep up our stores...
Anyways, one gunsight they took for a Cobra ended up on a bird that went down in 82, they did a salvage, and the serial number for the gunsight was from a bird that crashed in 73 in Vietnam...
...only there was paperwork declaring that theparts were scrapped, sent to refurbishing, but NOT into a flight aircraft, yet, here it was...on a flight aircraft!
Started a great hullaballoo, people threatened with larceny, black marketering and such, one of the guys they threatened to have brought on active duty and prosecuted told me the story.
It was pretty funny 20 years later! :)
We had a supply officer on the carrier I was on that wanted to make a name for himself by pulling all the undocumented spares from the airwing. My squadron turned in almost $40 million dollars worth of parts.
What was tat, 10 parts?
:)
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