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Why is France having so many Muslim terrorist problems and not Italy? Anyone with some expertise in this area?


2 posted on 12/19/2004 2:47:10 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: bushisdamanin04
Why is France having so many Muslim terrorist problems and not Italy?

Silvio Berlusconi is the answer.

3 posted on 12/19/2004 2:53:57 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: bushisdamanin04

Because France is a country full of cowards!


4 posted on 12/19/2004 2:54:00 PM PST by Arpege92 (Modern liberalism requires everyone to look different but think the same. - Lizavetta)
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To: bushisdamanin04
Simple. Muslims generally do not get along peaceably with their neighbors. (Secular Turkey is the exception). It's a jihad thing.

France is full of muslims, a legacy of its colonial past. Italy has far less.

5 posted on 12/19/2004 2:54:18 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: bushisdamanin04

Italy has the Mob. France has croissants.


6 posted on 12/19/2004 2:55:01 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly hammer on the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts)
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To: bushisdamanin04
Why is France having so many Muslim terrorist problems and not Italy? Anyone with some expertise in this area?

See link for population data (accuracy?...who knows).

Says that France has 7% Muslim and Italy only 1%. On top of that, it may be a matter of distribution and concentration...for example, the south of France is literally packed (in some towns).

Check out this site for muslim pop. by country

7 posted on 12/19/2004 2:58:48 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: bushisdamanin04
this article may answer your question: The Islamization of France
8 posted on 12/19/2004 3:01:00 PM PST by ddtorque
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To: bushisdamanin04
It's because there are more muslims in france.


% of Muslims in EU

10 posted on 12/19/2004 3:02:10 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: bushisdamanin04

France it trying to 'make nice' with the Arabs. Corrupt politicians see the opportunitiy to make a few bucks from Arab leaders, so they're afraid to cause any offense.
It's a very easy thing to do when you have no principles.


14 posted on 12/19/2004 3:05:14 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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One possibility is France's inherently anti-secular nature. In countries where piety is generally accepted (or ignored) its hard for the radical imams to convince people that they're being oppressed. France's bureaucracy has a very anti-religious streak - both anti-Christian and anti-Muslim. Easier for people to succumb to the message of separatism, hate and oppression.
19 posted on 12/19/2004 3:22:55 PM PST by happyathome (Froggies reap what they sow)
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Recommended.
Amazon carries it.

The man who got inside al-Qa'eda
(Filed: 25/08/2003)

George Walden reviews Inside al Qaeda by Mohamed Sifaoui
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2003/08/31/bosif24.xml

Mohamed Sifaoui is an Algerian Muslim journalist who became incensed by the war of terror waged by Islamic fundamentalists against the Algerian people. Not a few of his friends, relatives and colleagues perished at their hands, and before leaving for Paris he himself was nearly killed in an attack on his newspaper.



The combination of cowardice and indulgence shown to the terrorists by bien pensant opinion in France heightened his disgust. To expose the truth he decided to pose as a terrorist sympathiser, and his book is a diary of the three months he spent infiltrating a Parisian cell of al-Qa'eda under an assumed name.

The portraits he provides are not of the suicide bombers or gunmen, but of the recruiters, brain-washers and organisers behind them, yet the book conveys a convincing picture of the terrorist milieu. And a dismal picture it is. The members of the network emerge as a bunch of inadequates and infantile fanatics, although they are not the less fearsome for that.

Inevitably one thinks of the low life who staff the IRA, but it is a false comparison. The people Sifaoui writes about are on an even more debased cultural and psychological level. By their very nature, their grievances against the world can never be removed, and they are capable of pretty well anything.

Like French versions of the shoebomber Richard Reid, they are often converts to fundamentalism with a history of criminality, who converse in brain-dead religious slogans, their minds terminally rotted by ghetto thinking. "They're the ones who push people to commit attacks by suspecting all Muslims are like that", one of them fumes about the immigration officials who checked him on a trip to London. The fact that they let him in, although his passport was forged, adds piquancy to his indignation.

Sifaoui's chief contact in the cell was Karim Bourti, an Algerian Islamic activist stationed in Paris whom the French briefly imprisoned for associating with terrorists, before letting him out. Naturally he continued living in France, and went on with his work. A mixture of DIY imam, recruiter, fund-raiser, safe-house keeper and public apologist for the cause, he comes across as a truly repellent character, at once vicious, sickeningly pious, and hugely self-important. "Collecting money without working, stuffing himself from morning to night, while encouraging kids to go and get killed thousands of miles from home" is Sifaoui's description.

The gullibility of French opinion on terrorism, by no means exclusive to the Left, exasperates Sifaoui, and one can see why. A fundamentalist who offers religious training to prepare young men for "martyrdom" presents himself as a pacifist when he is interviewed by the DST (the French MI5), who let him go and assure him that he is "a good Muslim". Public funds and premises provided for Muslim "charity work" are diverted to terrorist ends, and false papers are provided on request by Muslim sympathisers in the local mairie, or in other official positions.

There is a grim irony in the fact that, though Sifaoui is maddened by French anxiety to excuse terrorism, it is Britain that he sees as the real "sanctuary for hard-core Islamism". "Don't forget that all the brains are here in London", a British fundamentalist tells him. Somehow it is strange to think of the sinister clown Abu Hamza being revered in Islamist circles in Paris.

Sifaoui's book has sold 60,000 copies in France. It is to be hoped that its readers include President Chirac and his Foreign Minister, Dominique de Villepin, and that the book will have had an educative effect on French thinking, though I wouldn't bet on it. The French book L'Effoyable Imposture (The Dreadful Fraud), which claimed that the 11 September attack was the work of the Jews and the CIA, sold over 100,000.

Sifaoui reminds us that the terrorist attack on the Paris Metro in 1995 was seen by many in France as a plot by the Algerian military government to discredit Islamic exiles. (The "brothers" - the terrorists - resented this attempt to exculpate them, since it detracted from their glory in the operation.) Given the French neurosis about America, one can well imagine where the finger would point should fundamentalists succeed in a new outrage in France. Unless the French authorities take a tougher line with the aiders and abetters of terrorism than they appear to do in this book, sadly - as in Britain - such an atrocity seems only a matter of time.


57 posted on 12/19/2004 5:01:43 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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