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Parting Company Is An Option
Walter E. Williams, George Mason University ^ | February 26, 2004 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 12/21/2004 7:01:52 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi

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To: Jsalley82
When South Carlina seceded in December of 1860, all (previously) federal properties within her borders returned to the State.

Based on what rule of law?

21 posted on 12/22/2004 9:28:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Colt .45
I see Non-Sequential is up to his old buffonish charges.

Ah Colt .45. Clueless as ever.

Please explain to me how a US Fortification on Southern soil in 1861, with no treaty recognizing it by the Confederate Government AS AN AUTHORIZED FOREIGN MILITARY FORTIFICATION was legally exempted from being fired upon?

I guess it isn't, if you are out to start a war. Which is what the Davis regime did.

22 posted on 12/22/2004 9:30:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

No, it was Lincoln's attempts to re-supply and reinforce the fort which were the cause of it. Being fired upon was only the effect. But then the Yankees always played by two sets of rules. One for themselves, and a completely different set for everyone else. Now days we call this type the liberal left.


23 posted on 12/22/2004 12:10:24 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Colt .45
No, it was Lincoln's attempts to re-supply and reinforce the fort which were the cause of it.

The confederate forces had been firing at anything flying the U.S. flag long before Lincoln's resupply effort. On at least two prior occasions they had tried to initiate hosilities by firing on unarmed ships. In the end, they came to the conclusion that the only way to get their war was to bombard the fort itself.

24 posted on 12/22/2004 12:22:06 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: cvq3842; cougar_mccxxi
Very thought-provoking!

Concurring bump.

BTTT.

25 posted on 12/22/2004 6:41:09 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: SAR; cougar_mccxxi
If you read the writings of the anti-federalists, most of their complaints and predictions about the Constitution and how it threatened state sovereignty have come to fruition.

Notice that author Williams is at George Mason University. Mason was one of the greatest of the Antifederalists, as were Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. Also, for a long time, John Hancock of Massachusetts, although the Federalists finally won him over (having made winning him over a major project).

26 posted on 12/22/2004 6:44:58 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The confederate forces had been firing at anything flying the U.S. flag long before Lincoln's resupply effort.

Overcharacterization for polemical effect -- how well you do it.

The Southerners were concerned only with the possibility -- the probability (about which they guessed aright) that Lincoln had been lying to them and would attempt to reinforce the garrison with more troops. He did.

In the end, they came to the conclusion that the only way to get their war was to bombard the fort itself.

Oh, I'm sorry, but "getting their war" was Lincoln's purpose -- and will you insist I quote Lincoln's personal secretary, John Nicolay, to you to prove it?

Starting a war was Lincoln's idea. I think he wanted a war all along --ever since 1856, when he finally concluded that there was no constitutional way to abolish slavery. (So, he decided on an unconstitutional one -- a civil war.)

27 posted on 12/22/2004 6:49:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thank you for your support! Non-Sequential will always try to attempt to re-establish some moral high ground where there is none.


28 posted on 12/22/2004 11:53:50 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: shubi
We need to get our country back.

Yeah we do. Now try telling that to all the Bush suckups and Big Stupid Government Excusers here on FR.

I'm sick of this BS government.

29 posted on 12/22/2004 11:56:18 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Colt .45
You're welcome.

To keep the equities of the American Civil War straight, it's only necessary to remember a) there was no rebellion, b) there was no insurrection, c) the People, not their servant officeholders, are Sovereign and answer only to the ineffable Who Am, and d) who invaded whom.

Everything else is excuses and eyewash -- excuses for killing 620,000 men in the field, and almost a million people overall, over politics.

30 posted on 12/23/2004 1:35:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. "
Art4 Sec4 U.S. Constitution

I think you have a point.


31 posted on 12/23/2004 2:11:59 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Brewing up a pot of Columbian and can't wait to dive into dessert for breakfast!

God Bless Walter Williams and Merry Christmas BTTT


32 posted on 12/23/2004 2:14:51 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Overcharacterization for polemical effect -- how well you do it.

They had fired on the Star of the West and the Rhoda Shannon.

The Southerners were concerned only with the possibility -- the probability (about which they guessed aright) that Lincoln had been lying to them and would attempt to reinforce the garrison with more troops. He did.

It didn't have to happen. Lincoln's intentions to reinforce only if the resupply effort was opposed was made cleart to Governor Pickens and Major Anderson.

Starting a war was Lincoln's idea. I think he wanted a war all along --ever since 1856, when he finally concluded that there was no constitutional way to abolish slavery. (So, he decided on an unconstitutional one -- a civil war.)

Overcharacterization for polemical effect -- you do it well yourself. Ending slavery was never an overriding goal of the Union. Preserving it was an overriding goal of the confederacy.

33 posted on 12/23/2004 3:10:03 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Colt .45
Non-Sequential will always try to attempt to re-establish some moral high ground where there is none.

Moral high ground? Are you claiming the moral high ground for the Davis regime? Once again we see where Colt .22 insists on laying blame everywhere except where it is due.

34 posted on 12/23/2004 3:12:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
To keep the equities of the American Civil War straight, it's only necessary to remember a) there was no rebellion, b) there was no insurrection, c) the People, not their servant officeholders, are Sovereign and answer only to the ineffable Who Am, and d) who invaded whom.

The southron myth machine at work yet again. Yes, there was a rebellion. Yes there was an insurrection. Whatever the hell 'c' means. You don't invade your own country so nobody invaded anyone.

35 posted on 12/23/2004 3:14:28 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Abolition of slavery was a byproduct of Federal Consolidation of powers and was not the aim of Lincoln.

The War Between the States did not start over slavery.

I'm glad that it led to it's end in America though - and though we are still ALL slaves to the Feds, via the IRS/IRC CONSTITUTIONALLY REPUGNANT INSANITY; outright tyranny.

Go FAIRTAX!! http://www.fairtax.org
36 posted on 12/23/2004 3:15:59 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: cougar_mccxxi; ancient_geezer; kevkrom
Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite.

The former (powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, few and defined) will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will for the most part be connected.
37 posted on 12/23/2004 3:19:53 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Hank Rearden

When you don't have a Constitutional government in America, you have, in essence, a shadow of a government.

Watch the shadows...


38 posted on 12/23/2004 3:21:49 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Re-fighting the Civil War... Again.

One of those things FReepers never seem to get sick of.

39 posted on 12/23/2004 3:22:32 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: ApesForEvolution
The War Between the States did not start over slavery.

But defense of the institution of slavery was by far the single most important reason why the south began the War of Southern Rebellion in the first place.

40 posted on 12/23/2004 3:46:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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