Posted on 12/22/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by Graybeard58
"I think JFK is broken."
I doubt you think at all, really, and are more the broken record here than anyone.
Not claiming to be an English teacher.
He never would have been fired if he had been spewing ISLAM!
I think he could have been a little more tactful, by not doing it on a daily basis, or at least, not making a session out of it. Throwing in a Bible verse, occasionally, would be OK. I think he just wanted to teach or preach to students about God. He should go to a christian private school for that.
I know it's hard to believe, some people pay thousands of dollars to have their child taught morals and religion.
I should know, I am one of the parents that did.
"You know... I give up on you. "
Oh, cry me a freaking river.
Bye....
"They will never shut up the secular atheists; that is WHY they are silencing the Christians."
Lots here hear this but they are too afraid/cowardly/busy to admit it.
And that is why public funding of schools must be eliminated. And Christian educators must continue the battle in public schools.
Try reading the article. It's utterly obvious he did much more than that.
The student said Ziegler wrote on the board "What inspires you to love people?" and another time "If you were to die today, what would you put on your tombstone, and why?"
He admitted that on some days he spent up to 10 minutes per class discussing religion, though school officials said they had reports of longer periods.
You are a anti-Christian bigot from all appearances.
Name calling is the resort of those who are losing the argument.
Somebody has to play "the devil's advocate"
A good teacher will teach/preach/motivate all at the same time. 100% grindstone teaching does not equal 100% attention span from students. A good teacher knew when to put a break in and when to get input from his/her students on how they were grasping the subject matter. All of my best teachers, did this quite well. It is an art, but to teach you must connect with your pupil. I have a feeling this teacher instilled more math into those heads of mush, than the average boring math teacher.
In a nutshell, a good teacher makes learning fun. I majored in mathematics, and I had a great HS teacher that could motivate. That motivation did not revolve around just pure math, but on the teacher being human and showing that he cared for us. Off subject talk is just part of teaching, be it war stories, religion, or home life references. You use your life's experiences to teach, any good teacher will understand that.
Anyone that speaks from the heart is preaching. It may not be Christian doctrine they are preaching, but they are preaching all the same.
Sermon over...
jimt - "He admitted that on some days he spent up to 10 minutes per class discussing religion, though school officials said they had reports of longer periods."
JFK_Lib - oh my! A whole 10 minutes? I have seen teachers sleeping in class longer and not get fired for it.
jimt - Name calling is the resort of those who are losing the argument.
JFK_Lib- I want trying to call names as to try and get you to say what your perspective is on all this; do you believe that Christians should continue to be singled out for silencing in the public schools while every pervert, atheist and pagan speaks freely or not? You cant silence these latter groups, the ACLU will tkae you to court, so can Christians get equal time or not according to you?
Look, we're on the same side but you have to understand that a public school teacher is a representaitive of the state and proselytizing on the public dime is not permitted by the establishment clause.
Certainly the state can not prohibit the man from answering questions if asked or from wearing a crucifix about his neck but they can require him not to proselytize while teaching. Just as they can be sure another teacher does not proselytize on the "wonders" of jihadism, homosexuality or abortion.
The First Amendment says : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Further history shows:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html
Madison's version of the speech and press clauses, introduced in the House of Representatives on June 8, 1789, provided: ''The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.''1 The special committee rewrote the language to some extent, adding other provisions from Madison's draft, to make it read: ''The freedom of speech and of the press, and the right of the people peaceably to assemble and consult for their common good, and to apply to the Government for redress of grievances, shall not be infringed.''2 In this form it went to the Senate, which rewrote it to read: ''That Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and consult for their common good, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.''3 Subsequently, the religion clauses and these clauses were combined by the Senate.4 The final language was agreed upon in conference.
This teacher is having his freedom of speech curtailed if he is simply responding to student query concerning it.
Why have Christians adopted the same fraudulent perspective of their enemies? What part of the "free exercise thereof" do these liberals not get?
It can only make you wonder what they would do if this man brought in video tapes to show the class about global warming or the desire to save the greyhound racing dogs as a teacher did at my son's high school here on the island.
Or what would they do if a bus driver talked about being pro-choice to her students, would they fire her/him?
Or a bus driver that fled the scene of an accident where property damage was done.
Did they fire her? Answer-NO!
If it fits their agenda it's OK in their book..
I also found out that many people knew of the principals drug habit for over a year and did nothing about it.
He had to get arrested on felony drug charges so he could get paid pending the outcome of the trial.
He is supposed to be in court today, I wonder if he plead guilty?
$97,438 a year. My wife made $9,000 and was fired.
sickening
I'd like to see his defense of a mathematics teacher who described the reign of Alexander the Great with lots of detailed descriptions, with photos and video re-enactment, of Al's supposed homosexuality.
Your post is extremely right wing, and properly so.
"Look, we're on the same side but you have to understand that a public school teacher is a representaitive of the state and proselytizing on the public dime is not permitted by the establishment clause.
Certainly the state can not prohibit the man from answering questions if asked or from wearing a crucifix about his neck but they can require him not to proselytize while teaching. "
That is the crux of my original question. Given the secular presses predisposition to make Christians look as bad as possible, do we really KNOW for a fact that this man was doing anything more than ansering questions? I know that that is the spin to the story but all we have are the unsubstantiated charges of a handful of students, teachers and parents that he was being aggressive. His point of view on those charges were not presented, but only of his 'proseletyzing', which in the view of many secularists could be jsut wearing a cross or referencing the DoI or answering questions.
We just dont know and it amazes me to see so many people that call themselves christian jumping on the secularist bandwagon to damn this guy.
That is all.
Beyond that, it amazes me to see Christians still bying this old canard regarding the First Amendment limiting religious expression on government property; that is NOT what establishment of religion refers to.
Spoken like a Freedom Under Clark Kerr anti-war demonstrator.
"I'd like to see his defense of a mathematics teacher who described the reign of Alexander the Great with lots of detailed descriptions, with photos and video re-enactment, of Al's supposed homosexuality."
I see no reason to delve into homoerotic art, but I have told my children that Alexander the Great was bisexual (he was not homosexsual).
So what?
Of course he would. Spewing Islam is just as inappropriate as spewing Christianity (or Wiccan or Zen-Odinism) in a mathematics class.
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