Posted on 12/23/2004 7:40:45 AM PST by Ernie.cal
Poster's specialty is Birchers. Let's not drag the LaRouchies in.
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You haven't answered my question. Why just couples?
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Is your argument that government should not dictate any relationship laws?
Marriage was instituted by God in the Bible. Homosexuality is condemned in the same Bible. Why do you think you need have the blessing of God and the church on something that goes against what they both stand for? Go ahead and do what you want, just don't expect to have the blessings of those who disagree with the whole concept.
No fault divorce should be abolished if there are children involved.
And also, why not animals and children?
This is where I object. I don't have a problem with civil unions (I do personally, explained below) as long as they don't harm another person but any lawful union between same sex couples that opens the door to allow them to adopt children should be forbidden. IMO, homosexuals shouldn't be allowed access to children any more than any other sexual deviant, such as a child molester. This includes teaching in schools, working in daycare centers or anywhere else there are children. I'm also not in favor of one same sex partner providing insurance for the other partner unless they purchase the coverage themselves. I don't like to see them included in a group plan that the rest of us help pay for. I would support psychiatric help for them though if it would change them because I truly believe they are mentally ill and I have compassion for anybody that is sick.
My personal feelings about civil unions come from a moral point of view. I feel it's wrong for heterosexuals to live together in an unmarried state also, but I don't impose my views on them. If a same sex couple wants to live together, I wouldn't say anything as long as there aren't children involved. I will never support legal marriage for them. I never really had a huge problem with them until they started getting in our faces and trying to push their agenda on us. If they stay in the closet and leave normal people alone and they will be much better off.
Right on. By the way, I live within sight of the Natty Boh brewery. Cheers!
True. It sounds like some people want to eliminate all laws regarding relationships.
"what specific indisputable adverse consequences to society do opponents predict to occur? "
1) Can two gay brothers marry?
2) Gays would then have the same priority for adoptions. Does anyone in their right mind think Rosie O'Donald is an acceptable parent?
3) Many increased costs to insurance and retirement funds.
4) Gays in military - no ask no tell would eventually collapse. Could two gay soldiers in the same unit be married?
5) Can a father marry his son? No offspring would result, after all.
6) If marriage is not defined as between a male and female, what about with your favorite monkey?
The results of legalization are in the long term very disruptive.
"The essence of a free society is choice." Well, we don't live in a totally free society. We live in a majority governs republic. There are many "choices" we don't legally allow. If the majority believe that Gay marriage is not a choice that they want to legalize, then so be it. All you have to do to change this is to get the majority to agree with you. It has been done by other minorities. But you have to convince them that the change would be for the better and not be detrimental. You seem to want them to figure this out on their own.
I guess they somehow feel threatened by people who disagree with them.
FMCDH(BITS)
So if I understand your message correctly, you and your spouse make your personal intimacy decisions based upon what happens to same-sex couples?
Your libido is diminished when you read or hear about "benefits" being granted to "homosexual couples" and your "motivation" to have children is reduced because, in your private moments of passion with your spouse, you whisper to each other about gay lifestyle as you are copulating---and that reduces your motivation?
Same-sex "marriage," in my view, has absolutely nothing to do with religion or "God's law."
It simply does not allow people to keep the species going. Call that procreation if you want to do that. I call it reproduction. Are you saying that reproduction is wrong? Are all women who have gone through menopause supposed to get divorced or be put to death? Using your reasoning toward married couples who can't reproduce I suppose that is the way you feel.
It is amoral and disgusting to see two women or two men in public who are supposedly "in love," when in reality they are just "in heat." They all should have stayed in the closet. Personally, I don't care who does what behind closed doors. Just keep it behind closed doors and everything will be cool.
I don't want children anywhere to have to witness such behavior.
As an aside, every homosexual, both male and female whom I have known, and taking the homosexuality completely out of the equation, had huge mental issues above and beyond the deviance. I don't want to see the deviance, let alone the other mental issues they all suffer, exhibited in public.
( I also note that just a few months after same-sex marriage was approved in a couple of places the same-sex divorces have already started. The "heat" wore off. So now the promiscuity amongst "those people" has been exposed. Now they can spread diseases even further amongst the population. )
Oh, and there's no such thing as "homophobia." Heterosexual men don't fear homosexuals.....we are just disgusted by them.
One more thing, I think you are going to get ZOTTED or at least get a suspension of posting privileges for a few days. :-)
In addition to "no fault" divorce, the acceptance of "free love"...unmarried women having children, couples having children without the benefit of marriage has had detrimental effects on our society as well. IMO
FWIW This Requiem For A Rump Ranger VANITY was placed by this troll in the following categories: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events.
Co-Sign what you just said.
I have two questions for all those firmly against gay marriage.
1) How would you respond if one of your children, siblings or very close friends revealed to you that they were gay.
2) Are all the brave gay male and female cops, firefighters, military personnell just selfish immoral heathens who should be brushed away as sinners. Are the gay doctors and teachers who have unknowingly educated us and or possibly saved our lives not worthy of living a life like any other American because of their sexual preference?
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