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Same-Sex Marriage - A Threat To Whom?
12-23-04 | Ernie1241

Posted on 12/23/2004 7:40:45 AM PST by Ernie.cal

I have read many messages which object to same-sex marriage but I am still waiting to learn what specific adverse consequences opponents of gay marriage anticipate to result from its legalization.

In other words, suppose same-sex marriage becomes law during 2005. By 2010 or 2015 what specific indisputable adverse consequences to society do opponents predict to occur?

With respect to those critics of same-sex marriage who refer to "God's law" and "procreation" --- do they believe that heterosexual couples who cannot have children, or who do not wish to have children, should also NOT be allowed to marry?

The essence of a free society is choice---including the option of choosing private behavior that does not cause harm to another person. The alternative is coercion, i.e. using the coercive (and punitive) power of government through laws, bureaucrats, and police to dictate what choices are permissible.

Do opponents of same-sex marriage propose that our society should begin identifying areas where choices involving human intimacy should be regulated by government entities and thus dilute our commitment to the values inherent in a free society?


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To: rface; Ernie.cal
and I am the Queen of England

Poster's specialty is Birchers. Let's not drag the LaRouchies in.

;-)

41 posted on 12/23/2004 8:03:16 AM PST by dighton
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To: Ernie.cal

You haven't answered my question. Why just couples?


42 posted on 12/23/2004 8:03:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: truthandlogic

PING


43 posted on 12/23/2004 8:04:20 AM PST by JRochelle
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To: Natty Boh

Is your argument that government should not dictate any relationship laws?


44 posted on 12/23/2004 8:04:37 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Ernie.cal

Marriage was instituted by God in the Bible. Homosexuality is condemned in the same Bible. Why do you think you need have the blessing of God and the church on something that goes against what they both stand for? Go ahead and do what you want, just don't expect to have the blessings of those who disagree with the whole concept.


45 posted on 12/23/2004 8:04:48 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. (Thank GOD for the red states))
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To: Ernie.cal; Jibaholic
So, in your judgment, divorce should also not be permitted because it causes harm to children?

No fault divorce should be abolished if there are children involved.

46 posted on 12/23/2004 8:05:27 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: AppyPappy

And also, why not animals and children?


47 posted on 12/23/2004 8:05:54 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. (Thank GOD for the red states))
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To: Ernie.cal
including the option of choosing private behavior that does not cause harm to another person

This is where I object. I don't have a problem with civil unions (I do personally, explained below) as long as they don't harm another person but any lawful union between same sex couples that opens the door to allow them to adopt children should be forbidden. IMO, homosexuals shouldn't be allowed access to children any more than any other sexual deviant, such as a child molester. This includes teaching in schools, working in daycare centers or anywhere else there are children. I'm also not in favor of one same sex partner providing insurance for the other partner unless they purchase the coverage themselves. I don't like to see them included in a group plan that the rest of us help pay for. I would support psychiatric help for them though if it would change them because I truly believe they are mentally ill and I have compassion for anybody that is sick.

My personal feelings about civil unions come from a moral point of view. I feel it's wrong for heterosexuals to live together in an unmarried state also, but I don't impose my views on them. If a same sex couple wants to live together, I wouldn't say anything as long as there aren't children involved. I will never support legal marriage for them. I never really had a huge problem with them until they started getting in our faces and trying to push their agenda on us. If they stay in the closet and leave normal people alone and they will be much better off.

48 posted on 12/23/2004 8:06:17 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: Natty Boh

Right on. By the way, I live within sight of the Natty Boh brewery. Cheers!


49 posted on 12/23/2004 8:06:34 AM PST by conserv13
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To: westmichman

True. It sounds like some people want to eliminate all laws regarding relationships.


50 posted on 12/23/2004 8:06:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Ernie.cal

"what specific indisputable adverse consequences to society do opponents predict to occur? "

1) Can two gay brothers marry?
2) Gays would then have the same priority for adoptions. Does anyone in their right mind think Rosie O'Donald is an acceptable parent?
3) Many increased costs to insurance and retirement funds.
4) Gays in military - no ask no tell would eventually collapse. Could two gay soldiers in the same unit be married?
5) Can a father marry his son? No offspring would result, after all.
6) If marriage is not defined as between a male and female, what about with your favorite monkey?

The results of legalization are in the long term very disruptive.


51 posted on 12/23/2004 8:07:07 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Ernie.cal

"The essence of a free society is choice." Well, we don't live in a totally free society. We live in a majority governs republic. There are many "choices" we don't legally allow. If the majority believe that Gay marriage is not a choice that they want to legalize, then so be it. All you have to do to change this is to get the majority to agree with you. It has been done by other minorities. But you have to convince them that the change would be for the better and not be detrimental. You seem to want them to figure this out on their own.


52 posted on 12/23/2004 8:07:40 AM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: AppyPappy

I guess they somehow feel threatened by people who disagree with them.


53 posted on 12/23/2004 8:08:17 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. (Thank GOD for the red states))
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To: Ernie.cal
You have been taken in by the "circular reasoning" crowd, and have abandoned His gift of discernment. Have a Merry Christmas.

FMCDH(BITS)

54 posted on 12/23/2004 8:08:25 AM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Sarastro

So if I understand your message correctly, you and your spouse make your personal intimacy decisions based upon what happens to same-sex couples?

Your libido is diminished when you read or hear about "benefits" being granted to "homosexual couples" and your "motivation" to have children is reduced because, in your private moments of passion with your spouse, you whisper to each other about gay lifestyle as you are copulating---and that reduces your motivation?


55 posted on 12/23/2004 8:08:29 AM PST by Ernie.cal
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To: Ernie.cal

Same-sex "marriage," in my view, has absolutely nothing to do with religion or "God's law."

It simply does not allow people to keep the species going. Call that procreation if you want to do that. I call it reproduction. Are you saying that reproduction is wrong? Are all women who have gone through menopause supposed to get divorced or be put to death? Using your reasoning toward married couples who can't reproduce I suppose that is the way you feel.

It is amoral and disgusting to see two women or two men in public who are supposedly "in love," when in reality they are just "in heat." They all should have stayed in the closet. Personally, I don't care who does what behind closed doors. Just keep it behind closed doors and everything will be cool.

I don't want children anywhere to have to witness such behavior.

As an aside, every homosexual, both male and female whom I have known, and taking the homosexuality completely out of the equation, had huge mental issues above and beyond the deviance. I don't want to see the deviance, let alone the other mental issues they all suffer, exhibited in public.

( I also note that just a few months after same-sex marriage was approved in a couple of places the same-sex divorces have already started. The "heat" wore off. So now the promiscuity amongst "those people" has been exposed. Now they can spread diseases even further amongst the population. )

Oh, and there's no such thing as "homophobia." Heterosexual men don't fear homosexuals.....we are just disgusted by them.

One more thing, I think you are going to get ZOTTED or at least get a suspension of posting privileges for a few days. :-)


56 posted on 12/23/2004 8:09:03 AM PST by El Gran Salseron (My wife just won the "Inmate of the Month Award!" :-))
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To: Sarastro

In addition to "no fault" divorce, the acceptance of "free love"...unmarried women having children, couples having children without the benefit of marriage has had detrimental effects on our society as well. IMO


57 posted on 12/23/2004 8:09:35 AM PST by OldBlondBabe
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To: Zavien Doombringer; Admin Moderator

FWIW This Requiem For A Rump Ranger VANITY was placed by this troll in the following categories: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events.



I clicked on this "news" item because I was under the impression it was legit news, until I read the entire piece, the author's name same as poster, etc.

And the poster's profile of past trolling experiences. Loved the profile in courage question: John Birch--Was Eisenhower A Communist? Ann Coulter would be proud-NOT.

I smell ozone, or Richard Gere's tookus on this thread.


58 posted on 12/23/2004 8:09:41 AM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: Natty Boh

Co-Sign what you just said.


I have two questions for all those firmly against gay marriage.

1) How would you respond if one of your children, siblings or very close friends revealed to you that they were gay.

2) Are all the brave gay male and female cops, firefighters, military personnell just selfish immoral heathens who should be brushed away as sinners. Are the gay doctors and teachers who have unknowingly educated us and or possibly saved our lives not worthy of living a life like any other American because of their sexual preference?


59 posted on 12/23/2004 8:09:43 AM PST by Yonkers Finest
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To: Ernie.cal
SAME SEX MARRRIAGE?.......PARTNERS OF DIFFERENT SPECIES SHOULD ALSO BE LAWFUL....

A HORSE AND A HOM0 SHOULD WORK FINE!

60 posted on 12/23/2004 8:10:15 AM PST by squirt-gun
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