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Jesus and Mohammed
Reality Macedonia ^ | December 24, 2004 | By Jason Miko

Posted on 12/23/2004 5:53:32 PM PST by Jane_N

For much of the world, this Saturday, December 25, is Christmas Day. For many Orthodox Christians, however, Saturday, January 7 is Christmas Day. For me, this means I get to write two articles on Christmas with one on New Years in between. This is way cool, for I love Christmas.

Frankly, it really doesn’t matter if we celebrate Christmas on December 25 or January 7 so long as we are celebrating the birth of Jesus the Christ. I mean, that’s what Christmas is about after all, isn’t it? And since we are celebrating Christmas, I think it is worthwhile to take a look at the founder of Christianity, Jesus Himself, and compare Him to Mohammed, the founder of Islam, since there is so much in the news these days about a potential clash of civilizations between Christianity and Islam.

Now, for the record and let me state upfront: I believe that most of our Muslim friends are sincere in their beliefs. But I also believe that they are sincerely wrong.

Jesus of Nazareth and Mohammed were very different. Of course for starters, Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and Mohammed claimed to be the last prophet of their god, Allah. And of course Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He lived, died and rose from the dead on the third day and that eternal salvation is attainted by believing in Him. This is the central tenant of Christianity. Islam, on the other hand, has a very different belief system.

Jesus, of course, said He was the Son of God and yet never tried to run for political office, never advocated the overthrow of the government, never wrote a book, never commanded an army and never acquired wealth of any sort. As a matter of fact, he said obey the government when he said "render to Caesar what is Caesar’s." And He died on a cross, the death of a criminal.

He chose 12 men to help Him spread his message and many of them died for their faith. It seemed that this faith He proclaimed might die with his followers and yet it didn’t. Not only did it not die, but it grew, especially under the persecution of the Roman Empire. And it grew to the point where today is 2004, because Jesus’ impact on the life of mankind was so great that our calendar is split into two, acknowledging the time before He was born and the time after He was born. The year on the cover of this paper is 2004, not 1424, the Muslim year.

Mohammed, on the other hand, was a very different character. He was born about AD 570 in Mecca, an important commercial city on the Arabian peninsula. His father, Abdullah died before Mohammed was born and he was raised by his uncle, Abu Talib.

In his middle years, it is said that he grew tired of the Arabs’ idolatry and paganism. When he was 40, he claimed to have received a revelation from the angel Gabriel, which he would have known about from reading the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. The Koran, is, as Mohammed claimed, Allah’s revelation to mankind through him.

Now I make a distinction between the God of the Bible and the god of the Muslims, Allah, because I believe – and Muslims believe the same – that the two are completely different. For starters, Allah did not have a Son named Jesus. In fact, in Islam, to claim that Allah has any familial relations is heretical, punishable by death. Furthermore, it is important to note that al-ilah (the contraction from which we get Allah) means "the god," for Allah was the chief god among the pagan Arabs’ 360 different gods at the Kaaba, an idol temple in Mecca. Allah was simply the one god that Mohammed chose to elevate and make the only god when he started his new belief system.

And since we know how Jesus’ followers spread Christianity, let’s take a look at how Mohammed spread Islam.

If you visit the web site of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, DC (which should be an authoritative source on Islam), click on "Country Information," then "Islam," and then "The Rise of Islam." This short history of the beginnings of Islam simply states: "Summoned by its call, the faithful spread Islam across the Arabian Peninsula. Within a century, Islam had swept across the Middle East and North Africa."

Well, not exactly.

Islam spread in its first one hundred years by war. At first, the merchants of Mecca were angry with Mohammed for his doctrine of Allah and submission to him. His ideas upset their businesses and they opposed him. But he gathered his strength and eventually overtook them by the sword. In time, he used the sword effectively in defeating his enemies – pagans, Jews and Christians – giving them the opportunity to convert to Islam. Those who refused, of course, lost their heads.

On his deathbed, Mohammed told his heirs "Let there not be two religions in Arabia." Accordingly, his followers under his successor Caliph Umar waged war against the unbelievers. Within one hundred years of his death, Islam had spread to the borders of present-day France. It is ironic how it is retaking France now without the sword.

There is so much more to this story but the important thing to point out here is this: Islam divides the world into two, Dar al Islam, or the House of Islam, and Dar al Harb, the House of War, which is everyone outside of Islam. The goal of the House of Islam is to defeat and overtake the House of War, either through conquest or conversion. This, they have been doing since Mohammed. And this will be the clash of civilizations.

Jesus of Nazareth and Mohammed of Mecca were two very different men with two very different beliefs. The question for the world today is, will you give your life to Jesus, or will you give your life to jihad?

Jason Miko is a free thinker and the views expressed herein are wholly his own. He can be reached at janos@earthlink.net.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; christians; christianseeeeeeeee; christmas; islam; jesuse; muslims
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1 posted on 12/23/2004 5:53:32 PM PST by Jane_N
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To: Jane_N

And you forget the main distinction: Jeses was a peaceful preacher and globtrotter, while Mohammed a heinous pedophile, slavemaster, pirate, murderer and rapist.


2 posted on 12/23/2004 5:56:55 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: Jane_N
All this talk of the 'Sword of Islam' makes me wonder about this quote from Jesus in Mathew 26:52...

"Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

I wonder if HE was also referring to the sword of Islam in the second part of the quote... I know that Islam came several hundred years later but there is this remark in Revelation...

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Which indicates the GOD is the past, present and future. So Jesus would have known what was coming in the future with this Islamic movement... Or am I just tilting at windmills.... ?

3 posted on 12/23/2004 6:35:45 PM PST by BRITinUSA
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To: Jane_N

Actually Muhammad did not write a book. He and his comrades were illiterate. There are no written records of any mention of Muhammad until after Islam had conquered all the way from Spain to India. The Quran was written in Baghdad 200 years after Muhammad from oral hearsay.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/


4 posted on 12/23/2004 6:36:57 PM PST by OK
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To: Jane_N

The sword will always triumph in confined areas.


5 posted on 12/23/2004 6:36:57 PM PST by jolie560
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To: Kurt_D
Revelation 22:18-19 clearly states what will happen to those that add to the Bible or religion and that makes Muhammad a false prophet and a heretic. 750 years after the death of Christ he comes up with his own religion. Mohammad was a con artist and prophet of Satan.
6 posted on 12/23/2004 6:42:19 PM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: jan in Colorado; USF; weenie; ariamne

God's Son vs the pedophile ping


7 posted on 12/23/2004 6:43:49 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Jane_N

Excellent post!


8 posted on 12/23/2004 8:45:08 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: jan in Colorado

Thanks for the ping Jan.

How anyone can even begin to compare Jesus with an illiterate rapist, child molester, genocidal mass murderer and liar is beyond me.

we might as well discuss the differences between Mother Teresa and Hitler... *Sigh*


9 posted on 12/24/2004 5:26:27 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: jan in Colorado

Thx for the ping Jan...


10 posted on 12/24/2004 6:48:23 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

You're welcome.


You having a good day?


11 posted on 12/24/2004 6:51:01 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Jane_N
"January 7 is Christmas Day"
I was sure that January 6 is the oldest date of the birth of Christ.
12 posted on 12/24/2004 6:55:08 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I went to school for 20 years, well I went to the 10th grade twice.)
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To: jan in Colorado
I just got out of bed (the luxury of the day before Christmas) and things are going well.

How's everything with you today?

13 posted on 12/24/2004 7:17:24 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Jane_N
When he was 40, he claimed to have received a revelation from the angel Gabriel, which he would have known about from reading the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians.

Except that Muhammed was illiterate.

Makes one wonder whether he had been listening to Christian and Jewish preachers or if the Satanic messenger pretending to be Gabriel transmitted some garble rendition of the Holy Scriptures.

14 posted on 12/24/2004 7:27:32 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado; USF
The funny thing about Islam is that it is "diametrically" opposed to Jesus. What I find odd about that is for a person to design a religion that is "precisely the opposite" to another, that person would have to have a excellent understanding of the religion he sought to oppose.

I doubt Muhammed had such a careful and detail knowledge (much less a heartfelt understanding) of Christian spirituality.

So what does this mean..?

That only the evil one would have been able to devise such a religion as Islam...and not because he has a detailed understand of God but because he is the very embodiment of the polar opposite position of God.

See my post 14 above.

15 posted on 12/24/2004 7:41:01 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Jane_N

A better comparison would be Moses and Mohammad, since Moses never claimed to be the Son of God, either, but is still revered as a great prophet.

The Muslim faith is actually closer to Judaism than it is to Christianity.


16 posted on 12/24/2004 7:51:21 AM PST by frgoff
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To: vetvetdoug

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Revelation 22:18-19 clearly states what will happen to those that add to the Bible
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Oh, please. The Bible didn't even exist when this scripture was written; no one had gotten around to compiling it, yet.


17 posted on 12/24/2004 7:52:44 AM PST by frgoff
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To: vetvetdoug
Revelation 22:18-19 clearly states what will happen to those that add to the Bible or religion and that makes Muhammad a false prophet and a heretic. 750 years after the death of Christ he comes up with his own religion. Mohammad was a con artist and prophet of Satan.

The Hebrew Bible warns about adding to it as well, yet the NT is one big addition and it contradicts the Hebrew Bible in various places.

Deuteronomy 12
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

18 posted on 12/24/2004 7:56:03 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: USF
How anyone can even begin to compare Jesus with an illiterate rapist, child molester, genocidal mass murderer and liar is beyond me.

How can anyone compare Yahweh of the Hebrew Bible who was opposed to sacrificing offspring/children, to the god of the NT that alledgedly sent his son to be sacrificed?

19 posted on 12/24/2004 7:59:02 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: weenie; USF; ariamne
Weenie, you have made some great points here.

I have no doubt that the evil one, is, in fact, behind this evil cult.

The more I learn about Islam, the more it becomes obvious to me that these two come from opposite ends of the spectrum.

Fortunately, it doesn't take a scholar to figure out which one is which.

One, teaches love and forgiveness and sacrificed His perfect life to be a Savior to ALL who believe and accept the gift. The beauty here is not only is Christianity the only religion with a Savior, but that it IS a gift offered and accepted by your own free will, not something demanded of its recipients.



The other teaches, hate and vengeance and murder to all who reject his teaching. You are forced to accept the teachings of Mohammad, or you are an infidel and are then the enemy.

Is there really a difficult decision here as to which is Good and which is evil?
20 posted on 12/24/2004 8:25:29 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Merry Christmas! Jesus . The Savior of the world.)
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To: jan in Colorado; USF; Netizen
How can anyone compare Yahweh of the Hebrew Bible who was opposed to sacrificing offspring/children

Here in Genesis 22:1-2 is the template for what would happen with Jesus...yet Jesus was't commanded to do anything...he did it of His own free will...in that way, He was in the role of both Abraham and Isaac (He was the offerer and the sacrifice)...

"1": And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. "2": And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Another point that has been made by both Hebrew and Christian scholars is that Isaac bored the wood (to be used in the burnt sacrifice) on his own shoulders just as Jesus bore the wooden cross.

21 posted on 12/24/2004 8:38:19 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado
Is there really a difficult decision here as to which is Good and which is evil?

I wish someone would tell the President (unless he already knows and is just being clever).

22 posted on 12/24/2004 8:53:58 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado
The beauty here is not only is Christianity the only religion with a Savior, but that it IS a gift offered and accepted by your own free will, not something demanded of its recipients.

As you have said, God wants our love (which can only be freely offered or it isn't love)...

...and Satan demands submission (demanded in anger, given out of fear).

23 posted on 12/24/2004 9:00:46 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Netizen

Jesus is Yahweh of the Hebrew bible! He is God!


24 posted on 12/24/2004 9:13:58 AM PST by free_life
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To: weenie

Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!


25 posted on 12/24/2004 9:16:02 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Jane_N

One came to serve.
The other came to be served, by as many dhimmis as could be attained.


26 posted on 12/24/2004 9:18:33 AM PST by VOA
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To: Netizen
Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!

Discussing religion with an atheist is like discussing modern art with your accountant.

Which is why I don't do it.

27 posted on 12/24/2004 9:25:16 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: BRITinUSA; weenie; jan in Colorado
Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

No, this doesn't refer just to Islam, it refers to all of us.

The cowards who want us to draw the sword against innocent and defenseless Moslems are referred to here.

28 posted on 12/24/2004 9:25:36 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: weenie
I'm not an atheist if that is what you are inferring.
29 posted on 12/24/2004 9:32:11 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: free_life

No, he isn't.


30 posted on 12/24/2004 9:33:17 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Netizen
Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!

Be that as it may, prophecy IS the validating characteristic of divine pronouncement.

There is an old latin proverb that says improper use does not invalidate proper use.

31 posted on 12/24/2004 9:35:23 AM PST by papertyger
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To: mrsmith
No, this doesn't refer just to Islam, it refers to all of us. The cowards who want us to draw the sword against innocent and defenseless Moslems are referred to here.

Of course, you are correct. While the hatred in Islam is evil, it is also contagious.

And Satan just smiles as we respond with the same kind of anger and hatred Islam pours out against us...its like starting a fire that just keeps spreading.

I spent much of last night tossing and turning over this very issue. How do we kill Islam without catching its disease ourselves? Surely, there is a way.

32 posted on 12/24/2004 9:38:25 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: mrsmith
What does this scripture mean?

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.  Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

33 posted on 12/24/2004 9:42:54 AM PST by papertyger
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To: weenie
LOL!

Finding a way to justify killing innocent and defenseless Muslims keeps you up at night?

God works in mysterious ways.

34 posted on 12/24/2004 9:44:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: BRITinUSA
I wonder if HE was also referring to the sword of Islam in the second part of the quote...

He was definitely telling Peter to stop, as well as continuing to teach His Church, but it could be that He was also referring specifically to islam and mohammed's sword. I think it's one of those things that fits into the following scripture:

The Apostle Paul writes in 1st Corinthians 13:12 - "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known".

35 posted on 12/24/2004 9:51:53 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: mrsmith
Finding a way to justify killing innocent and defenseless Muslims keeps you up at night?

Are you being hasty or just twisting another's words for pleasure.

I said nothing about killing innocents...I spoke about killing an evil religion.

36 posted on 12/24/2004 9:52:33 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: papertyger

What did Jesus do when one of those very two swords was used?


37 posted on 12/24/2004 9:55:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: papertyger
Hey, man, Merry Christmas...

and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You raise an interesting question...

I don't know if here (Luke 22:36) Jesus is speaking about what is going to happen later that night (when Judas brings the cops) and someone (Peter probably) whacks off an ear (i.e. is Jesus getting the details laid out for another miracle as it were)...

...or if he is saying "get a sword for later warfare..."

38 posted on 12/24/2004 9:59:57 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: mrsmith
What did Jesus do when one of those very two swords was used?

That wasn't the question.

39 posted on 12/24/2004 10:00:42 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Over your head huh? I'm not surprised.
Now it's your turn to answer your question.

From the context I assume you find in Jesus's words justification for killing innocent and defenseless people who belong to the wrong religion.
It would be good for a laugh to see how you would do that. So please go ahead.

40 posted on 12/24/2004 10:09:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: weenie

Hi Weenie! And a very merry Christmas to you too!


41 posted on 12/24/2004 10:17:57 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Can you guess who this is...it's not you and it's not me, but I think he's on this thread..?


42 posted on 12/24/2004 10:20:16 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: mrsmith
Now it's your turn to answer your question.

Shouldn't my turn come after you have fulfilled yours?

What does the Scripture mean?

43 posted on 12/24/2004 10:22:47 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Jane_N
Excellent read! Thanks for posting. I just finished reading Lee Strobel's "The Case For Christ" another superb book by a former atheist investigative reporter turned believer. I would recommend every believer in Messiah to add it to your library. It answers many of those pesky atheist questions. The only drawback is the author still can't figure out why worship was changed from 7th day to Sunday. But hey, he'll discover it soon:^)
44 posted on 12/24/2004 10:25:32 AM PST by patriot_wes
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To: Jane_N; xzins; editor-surveyor; fortheDeclaration; Commander8
......And of course Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He lived... (God came in the FLESH...God Incarnate!)(Bethleham's MANGER held God Jesus, and was Worshipped by Angels, Shepherds, Wise Men, et al), died and rose from the dead on the third day and that eternal salvation is attainted by believing in Him........

.....the Manger Scene is that which BEHOLDS God Jesus in the FLESH, and it is NOT idolatry to Worship Him!

Merry Christmas.......................Micah 5:2...................GPS positioning!

45 posted on 12/24/2004 10:28:45 AM PST by maestro
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To: weenie
I disn't take time out today to make fun of fear and ignorance just to be mean.
46 posted on 12/24/2004 10:29:12 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: jolie560
The sword will always triumph in confined areas.

A nice compact 12 gauge can maneuver better in confined areas than a sword, at least if you want to use the edge, as the Jihadi horde's preferred weapon, the scimitar, was intended. You gotta have room to swing one of those suckers.

Now, an Arkansas toothipick offers a good choice for confined spaces. You can use edge or point, and you don't need lots of room to swing it around. yet it is still able to be used to block other edged weapons.

But all you do with a shotgun is point and pull the trigger.

It'll ruin a Jihadi's whole day.

 

47 posted on 12/24/2004 10:29:15 AM PST by Phsstpok (Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform - Mark Twain)
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To: Jane_N
Jason Miko better watch his six. Telling the truth about Islam will get you a fatwa.

Ol' Mc Abul had a farm, e i e i o. And on his farm he had a fatwa, e i e i o. A fatwa here and a fatwa there...

5.56mm

48 posted on 12/24/2004 10:35:54 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Kurt_D

I think it is important to know how each died. While Jesus was crucified by man spreading peace, love and truth to the world, Muhammed died of a 14 day illness spouting hate and inciting war for the people who did not believe him.


49 posted on 12/24/2004 10:46:23 AM PST by GATECH ((It is what it is!))
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To: Jane_N
All you need to know about Jesus and Mohammed:

Jesus loves you, and Mohammed wants you dead!

50 posted on 12/24/2004 10:52:59 AM PST by Jmouse007 ("Negotiate and die!" Brought to you by "Islam the Religion of Peace tm")
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