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Jesus and Mohammed
Reality Macedonia ^ | December 24, 2004 | By Jason Miko

Posted on 12/23/2004 5:53:32 PM PST by Jane_N

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To: jan in Colorado; USF; Netizen
How can anyone compare Yahweh of the Hebrew Bible who was opposed to sacrificing offspring/children

Here in Genesis 22:1-2 is the template for what would happen with Jesus...yet Jesus was't commanded to do anything...he did it of His own free will...in that way, He was in the role of both Abraham and Isaac (He was the offerer and the sacrifice)...

"1": And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. "2": And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Another point that has been made by both Hebrew and Christian scholars is that Isaac bored the wood (to be used in the burnt sacrifice) on his own shoulders just as Jesus bore the wooden cross.

21 posted on 12/24/2004 8:38:19 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado
Is there really a difficult decision here as to which is Good and which is evil?

I wish someone would tell the President (unless he already knows and is just being clever).

22 posted on 12/24/2004 8:53:58 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado
The beauty here is not only is Christianity the only religion with a Savior, but that it IS a gift offered and accepted by your own free will, not something demanded of its recipients.

As you have said, God wants our love (which can only be freely offered or it isn't love)...

...and Satan demands submission (demanded in anger, given out of fear).

23 posted on 12/24/2004 9:00:46 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Netizen

Jesus is Yahweh of the Hebrew bible! He is God!


24 posted on 12/24/2004 9:13:58 AM PST by free_life
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To: weenie

Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!


25 posted on 12/24/2004 9:16:02 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Jane_N

One came to serve.
The other came to be served, by as many dhimmis as could be attained.


26 posted on 12/24/2004 9:18:33 AM PST by VOA
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To: Netizen
Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!

Discussing religion with an atheist is like discussing modern art with your accountant.

Which is why I don't do it.

27 posted on 12/24/2004 9:25:16 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: BRITinUSA; weenie; jan in Colorado
Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

No, this doesn't refer just to Islam, it refers to all of us.

The cowards who want us to draw the sword against innocent and defenseless Moslems are referred to here.

28 posted on 12/24/2004 9:25:36 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: weenie
I'm not an atheist if that is what you are inferring.
29 posted on 12/24/2004 9:32:11 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: free_life

No, he isn't.


30 posted on 12/24/2004 9:33:17 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Netizen
Sounds a lot like those that support Nostradamus. After the fact they see all these things that fit!

Be that as it may, prophecy IS the validating characteristic of divine pronouncement.

There is an old latin proverb that says improper use does not invalidate proper use.

31 posted on 12/24/2004 9:35:23 AM PST by papertyger
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To: mrsmith
No, this doesn't refer just to Islam, it refers to all of us. The cowards who want us to draw the sword against innocent and defenseless Moslems are referred to here.

Of course, you are correct. While the hatred in Islam is evil, it is also contagious.

And Satan just smiles as we respond with the same kind of anger and hatred Islam pours out against us...its like starting a fire that just keeps spreading.

I spent much of last night tossing and turning over this very issue. How do we kill Islam without catching its disease ourselves? Surely, there is a way.

32 posted on 12/24/2004 9:38:25 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: mrsmith
What does this scripture mean?

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.  Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

33 posted on 12/24/2004 9:42:54 AM PST by papertyger
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To: weenie
LOL!

Finding a way to justify killing innocent and defenseless Muslims keeps you up at night?

God works in mysterious ways.

34 posted on 12/24/2004 9:44:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: BRITinUSA
I wonder if HE was also referring to the sword of Islam in the second part of the quote...

He was definitely telling Peter to stop, as well as continuing to teach His Church, but it could be that He was also referring specifically to islam and mohammed's sword. I think it's one of those things that fits into the following scripture:

The Apostle Paul writes in 1st Corinthians 13:12 - "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known".

35 posted on 12/24/2004 9:51:53 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: mrsmith
Finding a way to justify killing innocent and defenseless Muslims keeps you up at night?

Are you being hasty or just twisting another's words for pleasure.

I said nothing about killing innocents...I spoke about killing an evil religion.

36 posted on 12/24/2004 9:52:33 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: papertyger

What did Jesus do when one of those very two swords was used?


37 posted on 12/24/2004 9:55:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: papertyger
Hey, man, Merry Christmas...

and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You raise an interesting question...

I don't know if here (Luke 22:36) Jesus is speaking about what is going to happen later that night (when Judas brings the cops) and someone (Peter probably) whacks off an ear (i.e. is Jesus getting the details laid out for another miracle as it were)...

...or if he is saying "get a sword for later warfare..."

38 posted on 12/24/2004 9:59:57 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: mrsmith
What did Jesus do when one of those very two swords was used?

That wasn't the question.

39 posted on 12/24/2004 10:00:42 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Over your head huh? I'm not surprised.
Now it's your turn to answer your question.

From the context I assume you find in Jesus's words justification for killing innocent and defenseless people who belong to the wrong religion.
It would be good for a laugh to see how you would do that. So please go ahead.

40 posted on 12/24/2004 10:09:27 AM PST by mrsmith
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