[Jim Noble]

right now the iraqi military forces don't seem to be able to even get a shot off against the insurgency

There is no possibility of making progress with potential Iraqi collaborators until Saddam is killed.

The Iraqis aren't going to do it.

Are we?

[oceanview]

can we at this point, or has the time passed for us as the occupying power, to merit out justice and punishment like this?