[cyborg]

Yes that's what I wanted to avoid. I got into a big fight one year with a relative and didn't want to repeat it especially since this was my sister's friends.

[cyncooper]

I know. I wanted to avoid it, too, but the besmirching of our troops ala the "baby killers" charge harking back to Vietnam was more than I could bear.

I still regret it came to that.