Skip to comments.Atheist's turn toward God was a 4-year process, friend says
Posted on 12/26/2004 2:12:39 PM PST by protest1
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5.475 would be about half way throught the 6th day.
I was one of those nurses with a 6th sense for trouble.
The number of times I walked out of report and knew immediately that I had to check on someone even though it was out of sync with my organizational routine were to many to count.
I'm not going to say, I saved their lives because nothing like that is ever a singular moment. But I arrived at a pivotal moment where there was still the opportunity to make the difference between life and death.
It was just a sense that I needed to be with someone.
Good point, and good catch. I'm with you. But then, it's easy to concede since these are not MY words, but the words of a literalist looking at Schroeder's work. :) I got that from answersingenesis.org. That was what I intended to show with that posting--that literalists would have an easy time demonstrating that Schroeder was not hewing to their literal interpretation of the Bible.
I'm not at all excited about the notion of reconciling current scientific theories with the Bible, because I think either you believe in the Bible as the Word of God, or you don't. Molding it to fit today's scientific theory is essentially draining the book of its divinity from a literal standpoint. If the Book says God created the Earth and all its wonders in 6 days, well, if you believe the Book is the literal word of God, it should have happened in 6 days, not some 'but-a-day-to-God-is-infinite' wordtwisting b.s.
I would say that it has everything to do with it, because the person who was talking to this guy is a Christian who is spreading that very "news" of the Gospel.
The fact that the other person (who received that Good News of the Gospel) is not there yet, doesn't mean that what this proclaimer of the Gospel has done is useless either to this hearer -- or -- to other hearers who may be doing that very same thing (and/or talking to others).
The fact that you don't want anyone to hear about those who proclaim the Gospel and what happens when they proclaim the Gospel is simply a statement on the condition of your own heart.
Those who are of Christ are happy to hear about the proclamation of the Gospel being accomplished, whether it has fully accomplished what it should, or whether more is needed for the person to consider his own salvation.
Even the angels in Heaven rejoice over these things...
Luke 15:7- 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. 8 "Or what woman, having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? 9 And when she has found it, she calls her friends and neighbors together, saying, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found the piece which I lost!' 10 Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."
Proclaim it far and wide -- and rejoice (in like manner as the angels in Heaven)...
You said -- "It is mathematically impossible that its origin isn't from a single source outside our space-time domain."
It sounds like you've been listening to Chuck Missler. :-)
I pondered this for some time and concluded that the bible is designed to speak to people about the who, what, where, why of God. It needs to be relevant to every age because its purpose is salvation not science. Every age will have its own "science" regarding origins and every age will be wrong in part and right in part. Therefore, Genesis 1 and 2 needed to be written so that it was true and at the same time somewhat fuzzy on the details so that each age would not use its own limited understanding as a basis for rejecting it.
Personally, I have endeavored to read Genesis literally and figuratively while attempting to reconcile it to our current understanding of space and time. Some things fit, some don't. But I did find that reading it literally, going back to the Hebrew and most importantly, not using imposing later definitions of words on the text and treating each word as brand new the first time its used is very difficult and doesn't lead to the current "literal" understanding nor does it lead to the current science. In fact, one of my literal readings leads to the conclusion that we have been in the 6th day since man has been on earth and will not leave the 6th day until Jesus's work is done.
Missler's a sharp guy; he has a tendency to go off on tangents, though. :-)
Moreover, Dr. Schroeders arbitrary numbers are not consistent with each other. He chooses to divide the 15 billion years by the degree of expansion of the universe, which he defines as a million million (1,000,000,000,000), and then multiplying that by 365 for the number of days in a year. He states that the answer is approximately 6, proving his theory, which states that we are in the afternoon of the sixth day. However, the actual answer is 5.475, meaning that we have not yet reached the sixth day. Therefore, according to his theory, animals and humans should not be around.
Wrong, wrong, wrong ,wrong.
This analysis of Schroeders work has been posted by somebody who admittedly has not read Schroeders work.
Is it any wonder that he misstates Schroeders work?
"The fact that you don't want anyone to hear about those who proclaim the Gospel and what happens when they proclaim the Gospel is simply a statement on the condition of your own heart."
What are you TALKING about? I just said I don't see the point of celebrity endorsements in what is a personal decision, and you twist that to mean somehow I'm against all evangelism? One more straw man of many.
Everything everyone has ever done has occured on the way toward the grave.