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The Great Wave- Sumatra Quake and tsunami of 2004
various FR links
| 12-26-04
| The Heavy Equipment Guy
Posted on 12/26/2004 4:09:30 PM PST by backhoe
TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: earthquake; frlibrarians; sumatraquake; tsumani; tsunami
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:09:30 PM PST
by
backhoe
To: mommadooo3
As requested- the usual inelegant fast grab of links, but it covers the best and worst of it.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:11:07 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
updated again to 9.0.
Imagine the power of 12 H bombs all going off at once.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:11:51 PM PST
by
xcamel
(Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
To: backhoe
Bless you, backhoe. You do FreeRepublic proud!
To: backhoe
Thanks for this information - as I said last night, I may be sent as part of Australian government efforts to help assist in this, and FR is proving rather useful at helping me find information about how bad this actually is, so I can try and work out if I am likely to be sent or not.
This is looking bad enough now that I suspect I won't be going for a while. My job in such situations is to help restore educational infrastructure - reopening schools etc, finding supplies they need. This is pretty important - but if the disaster is bad enough (and this is looking like it is) it's a lower priority than getting other services working. I might wind up going in a few weeks, or months.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:18:06 PM PST
by
naturalman1975
(Sure, give peace a chance - but si vis pacem, para bellum.)
To: backhoe
has anyone heard about Diego Garcia at all? I can't find out about anything....
-Proud To Be An American (on Nevergore's computer)
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:18:48 PM PST
by
nevergore
(“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
To: mommadooo3; naturalman1975; xcamel
Thanks for stopping by- here's a little more:
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:20:04 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
Does anyone know how long a time elapses between the earthquake and the tsumanis hitting lang? I was a little surprised better advance warnings could not have been given, even if it's just a police officer in a truck with a bullhorn.
To: backhoe
Does anyone know what the tide level was for the psunamis, and they velocities of which hit shore?
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:21:40 PM PST
by
Cobra64
(Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
To: nevergore
has anyone heard about Diego Garcia at all? Follow the link at #7 and about halfway through are photos, maps & comments on DG. I had been wondering, myself.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:22:18 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
Do you know if those are current pictures or old ones?
-PTBAA (on Nevergore's computer)
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:25:48 PM PST
by
nevergore
(“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
To: xcamel; backhoe
Imagine the power of 12 H bombs all going off at once.Actually, an 8.0 earthquake releases the equivalent energy of a 6 megaton hydrogen bomb. This was a 9.0 so it would release the energy equal to 60, 1 megaton hydrogen bombs.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:27:47 PM PST
by
LonePalm
(Commander and Chef)
To: proxy_user; Cobra64
Does anyone know how long a time elapses between the earthquake and the tsumanis hitting lang? I was a little surprised better advance warnings could not have been given, even if it's just a police officer in a truck with a bullhorn. Does anyone know what the tide level was for the tsunamis, and they velocities of which hit shore?Somewhere, among all those links, are some diagrams of the sea, land masses, wave action, and a little more- but dogged if I can remember which ones they were in-- you'll have to hunt. Look for a blue-green cross-section drawing of an island in the water.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:27:55 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: proxy_user
Does anyone know how long a time elapses between the earthquake and the tsumanis hitting lang? I was a little surprised better advance warnings could not have been given, even if it's just a police officer in a truck with a bullhorn.
It's a function of distance. I believe Sri Lanka and India had 1 1/2 hours from the quake to the Tsunami impact. Phuket Thailand would have had the wave hit sooner.
The USGS tried to contact areas but since there was no formal warning network set up by India and Sri Lanka there was no organized way to get a warning out.
To: nevergore
Do you know if those are current pictures or old ones? It looked like an old stock photo to me- but I did not read the fine print!
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:29:17 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: proxy_user
Tsunamis can travel across open ocean at up to 500 mph. You could be on a cruise ship out in the middle of the sea and have one go under you and never notice it, because it would only be a foot or two high. It's only when they hit shallow water inshore that they slow down and pile up to great height.
Considering that this one caused devastation 1500 miles away from the earthquake's epicenter, there would've been at least a three-hour time lag before it hit some places. But, I guess that not all earthquakes, even powerful ones, create tsunamis this devastating...any seismologists have an idea?
}:-)4
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:30:57 PM PST
by
Moose4
("Frrrrrrrrrp." --Livingston the Viking Kitty)
To: backhoe; DollyCali
Good work as usual backhoe. Ping Dolly
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:33:57 PM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Jimmy Carter is a national disgrace.)
To: prairiebreeze
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:34:51 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: xcamel
Imagine the power of 12 H bombs all going off at once.
12? It's much more than that. A Magnitude 9 earthquake is 1,800 megatons.
The largest nuclear weapon ever detonated was 50 megatons (and that was a one-off stunt by the Russians that wasn't a real weapon.) This quake was the power of 36 of those.
The thermonuclear warheads we have on our missles (minuteman and Trident) are 300 kilotons.
Thus, this quake was as powerful as about 54,000 warheads from American ICBMs. Or many times more powerful than every single nuclear weapon on the world going off at once.
To: All
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:53:05 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
21
posted on
12/26/2004 4:53:37 PM PST
by
UnklGene
To: backhoe
I have seen NO discussion of the prior 8.3 earthquake not too far from there only a few days ago - how it relates to this quake.
Did it cause this earthquake - on the same plate/fault line?
Even more mysterious and definitely never talked about was this near miss by an asteroid on Christmas Eve opposite from the earthquake centers !!??
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=2004+VW14
you can step the simulation forwards/backwards one day at a time!
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:53:41 PM PST
by
steplock
(http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
To: Strategerist
Magnitude 9.0
Energy Equivalent Weight of TNT* 32,000 mtons
Energy in Joules 0.200E+19
10,666.6667 300 kton warheads
but who's counting - it makes one hell of a mess.
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:55:14 PM PST
by
xcamel
(Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
To: prairiebreeze; backhoe
thank you both. good info!!!!
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posted on
12/26/2004 4:56:41 PM PST
by
DollyCali
(ChristMAS - there is really "MAS" in Christ.)
To: steplock
Did it cause this earthquake - on the same plate/fault line?
The previous M 8.1 earthquake south of Australia was 5,200 miles away from the M 9 quake near Sumatra. Completely different fault system.
As you get further away from the US people tend to underestimate how far away things are from each other.
To: DollyCali
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:00:44 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: Strategerist
Also.. useless fun fact:
2 pentillion watts of energy released
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:07:08 PM PST
by
xcamel
(Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
To: All
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:07:23 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
backhoe, here's one....needs to be made a clickable link. (I ferget how).
http://asc-india.org/events/041226_bob.htm
To: mommadooo3
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:11:51 PM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: xcamel
. . . .sounds like the aftereffects of a good chili cook-off. . . . . minus the methane !! (Grin)
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:13:28 PM PST
by
Salgak
(don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
To: proxy_user
It expands from the epicenter at the velocity of sound in water. Generally, that's a little under a mile per second.
That's the initial shockwave. The actual tsunami follows, the speed being a factor of depth of the ocean at the epicenter and along the way to the point of impact. . .
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:17:23 PM PST
by
Salgak
(don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
To: backhoe
Thanks...this bump's for you!
To: nevergore
has anyone heard about Diego Garcia at all?
I read on Fox that the Pentagon is saying no reports of damage have been received.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:23:24 PM PST
by
Sola Veritas
(Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
To: backhoe
So, don't they say that when there's a big earthquake there's usually one on the opposite side of the globe? Because the closest big fault opposite this one seems to be the New Madrid... Since this one's in the northern hemisphere, the opposite point would have to be in the southern... say, Peru.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:25:45 PM PST
by
Sloth
(Al Franken is a racist.)
To: Salgak
600 MPs +/- is a good rule of thumb.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:31:30 PM PST
by
roaddog727
(The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
To: backhoe
There's absolutely no evidence that large quakes cause other large quakes on the other side of the globe.
There are a lot of claims regarding quakes that really aren't backed up by anything, made by non-scientists.
To: naturalman1975
Thanks for sharing your duties with us. This does look terrible, life needs will be primary. Good luck to you.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:34:52 PM PST
by
gogipper
To: backhoe
Makes Iraq look like a pretty good place to live.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:43:48 PM PST
by
HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
(Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
To: backhoe
Thanks, backhoe, for your usual good work.
This whole event is unbelievable. Makes you think of the End of the World As We Know It.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:45:24 PM PST
by
Palladin
(Proud to be a FReeper!)
To: Sloth
The global opposite of the quake is about 450 miles SW of the Galapagos islands - very near the Ecuadorian trench (subduction zone)
That would be the spot to watch over the next 48 hours.
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posted on
12/26/2004 5:46:04 PM PST
by
xcamel
(Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
To: backhoe
From what information I have seen, and TV programs I have watched, tsunami tidal waves mostly average in hight 20 or 30 feet ? and cause massive flooding and damage over a wide are , is that correct ?
How about typhoon tidal waves ? The hurricane IVAN created waves as high as 50 feet in the GULF of MEXICO. What is the historic ( recorded ) highest tidal wave ever recorded by a tsunami or hurricane ? or a mountain/volcano avalanche ? How about a mountain avalanches ? or volcano avalanche ? I was watching a TV program ( history channel ) that a mountain avalanche in Alaska created a tidal wave over 100 feet. but, the wave was more localized in that area.
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posted on
12/26/2004 6:01:22 PM PST
by
Prophet in the wilderness
(PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
To: Cobra64
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posted on
12/26/2004 6:20:46 PM PST
by
DUMBGRUNT
(Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
To: nevergore
I was wondering the same thing about DGAR myself. Haven't heard or seen anything as yet. Ping me if you do, please.
To: Strategerist
The USGS tried to contact areas but since there was no formal warning network set up by India and Sri Lanka there was no organized way to get a warning out. I bet people are going to demand that heads roll for that.
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posted on
12/26/2004 7:31:50 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: Ken H
India has a nuke program. For a tiny fraction of that budget they could easily have set up an Indian Ocean tsunami warning system, with sirens, if they had felt like it.
Comment #47 Removed by Moderator
To: Prophet in the wilderness
I was watching a TV program ( history channel ) that a mountain avalanche in Alaska created a tidal wave over 100 feet. but, the wave was more localized in that area. If you were watching the program I'm thinking of they found evidence of a splash line within one narrow Alaskan inlet 1400 feet high. Now that's one monster wave. On the high seas tidal waves are fast, but quite short, gaining height in shallows. They used to be thought mythic, but they have recently shown that waves over 100 feet high can occur on the high seas, likely through some other mechanism than tsunamis.
To: backhoe
To: backhoe
Thanks for the background information. I just spoke to someone who lives on Phuket and works along Patong Beach. (I was there a month ago).
She was given the day off because of Christmas and planned on lounging on the beach but slept late instead. She said Patong Beach is gone! The optical shop she manages was destroyed. She would have been injured if she would have been working.
She went to the hospital to volunteer since she speaks fluent English (she's from the Philippines originally). She said it is full of people with severe injuries, most of them western tourists. She went to one room and it was full of bodies, including many children. She just started sobbing and decided it was too much for her. There were warnings of bigger waves so many people spent the night at the top of a hill...and was very cold through the night.
People were scared so there were lots of injuries and deaths from motor vehicle accidents. She has a motor scooter there but is not riding it after seeing so many accidents.
She saw cars stacked atop each other and jet skis and boats hundreds of feet inland.
I was really worried about her and thank God she decided to stay in bed instead of going to the beach in the morning.
I told her the news is reporting 500 dead in Thailand. She says that when the real numbers come out it will be MUCH higher.
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