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"Christophobia" Afflicts Europe
Zenit ^ | 12/12/04 | George Weigel

Posted on 12/27/2004 4:24:06 AM PST by ishmac

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I grew up loving and revering Europe, until I lived there and realized how secular it was. Until Europeans embrace their history, their decline will continue.
1 posted on 12/27/2004 4:24:06 AM PST by ishmac
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It's the continent of Eurabia now. Not that it will be a pleasant marriage for the non Muslim europeans.
2 posted on 12/27/2004 4:56:22 AM PST by Stepan12
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Yeah, populated by countries called Froganistan.


3 posted on 12/27/2004 5:01:53 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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I lived for seven years in Europe: in Germany, Italy, Spain, Britain and travelled extensively. Europe is a beautiful museum. Its modern culture is a sad and exhausted remnant. Its politics are socialistic and bureaucratic. Its future hangs by a thread.
4 posted on 12/27/2004 5:02:22 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: ishmac

frogism 101........


5 posted on 12/27/2004 5:04:12 AM PST by Route101
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To: ishmac

I look forward to buying George Weigel's new book next year. Europe may be kitschy to the ACLU but its revolting to mainstream Americans.


6 posted on 12/27/2004 5:06:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ThomasMore

Book to read Ping!


7 posted on 12/27/2004 5:16:59 AM PST by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: ishmac

Europeans can't make religion go away just by wishing for it. When Europeans deny the religion of their history another religion will come along to take its place. There will always be a religious Europe. The question is: which religion will it be?


8 posted on 12/27/2004 5:21:37 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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"It would be too simple to say that the reason Americans and Europeans see the world so differently is that the former go to church on Sundays and the latter don't,"

It may be simple, but it pretty much sums it up. There is no bigger factor that differentiates the US and European viewpoints.

9 posted on 12/27/2004 5:24:30 AM PST by Always Right
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"Anyone on that continent with faith, courage, imagination, steeled soul or mighty heart pretty much moved here prior to 1924—leaving behind only the cowardly and the complacent."
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Wide, general, sweeping comment but.... pretty much true. Tee Hee.


11 posted on 12/27/2004 5:56:31 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: ishmac; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


12 posted on 12/27/2004 5:56:35 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: Noachian

True, but Christianity is as much a "visitor" to Europe as Islam. I guess Christianity is the religion of their history (as long as you don't look back any farther than 1500 years or so.)


13 posted on 12/27/2004 6:05:17 AM PST by Renderofveils (8th Engineer Bn, 1 Cav. "Cannibals!")
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To: ishmac
"Unbelief in God" is a euphemism for atheism.

Atheistic nations fall.

"European 'high culture' is, largely, Christophobic..."

...i.e. atheistic--and Marxist and decadent. European and American Leftists, who subscribe to this "high culture" think that those of us who do not are ignorant and unsophisticated.

They're wrong.

In fact, it's just the opposite.

Many of us have been there, heard their arguments, understood their positions, seen what they have to offer, and observed that they are ignorant, unsophisticated, decadent, and headed for a fall.

Many others didn't have to understand their position as completely to know that they are hare-brained.

The American Left--in its peculiar mix of arrogance and stupidity--has tried everything to impose this "European high culture" on the United States.

Their hare-brained attempt to put John Kerry in the Presidency was their latest organized effort.

The American people responded on November 2, 2004.

Not only are these people frustrated at the refusal of the American people to comply, but they are frightened because they are convinced that "European high culture" would appeal to everyone sophisticated and educated enough to realize its superior value. They lack the wit to understand that the rest of us are waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of them--not behind them, that we are faaaaaaaar more sophisticated and savvy than they are. This boggles their (very limited) minds.

It's easy to understand why an atheistic people who see nothing of value, worth preserving, protecting, or defending, in their civilization, would sink into a suicidal morass of apathy and confusion, but it's hard to be sympathetic toward them. Especially when the truth is before them and all around them.

16 posted on 12/27/2004 6:15:52 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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Europe is a beautiful museum.

Indeed. Although some areas are worse than others. When I was in the Army I was stationed in Nuremberg. Bavaria is much more conservative than other parts of Germany. The eastern part of Germany struck me as the most secularized. There are also places like Poland, which is much more like the U.S. in its religious devotion. At least there's a fight over religion and secularism. Elsewhere, the issue has been settled in favor or the secularists.

17 posted on 12/27/2004 6:17:34 AM PST by ishmac
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"Europe is going through a grave cultural and moral crisis."

It certainly is. And if the Europeans don't resolve it soon, the Muslims are going to resolve it for them.

18 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:34 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Always Right
There is no bigger factor that differentiates the US and European viewpoints.

That's always the case. The determinant of a country's politics is its culture, the determinant of a country's culture is its religion. It may seem a little too pat, but it's a reliable general rule.

19 posted on 12/27/2004 6:21:20 AM PST by ishmac
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To: Noachian

We may know something that W. B. Yeats didn't know--just what that rough, slouching beast is.


20 posted on 12/27/2004 6:25:28 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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