Another "Moderate" Muslim Group - (Not good news. How much is enough?)

Nah, my position hasn't changed, you just came to the wrong conclusion before, without fully knowing what my position was.

Possibly... or partially.

I agree that we should not be allowing immigration from Muslim countries, and that Muslims who are here illegally should be deported pronto. I agree that fundamentalist Islam is a serious menace, and that a large portion of the Muslim population worldwide is fundamentalist and either actively wishes us harm or sympathizes with those who do.

Yep, but it is ISLAM itself and not this mythical "fundamentalist Islam" or "radical Islam". I suggest you read the Koran. I once thought as you.

I understand your position to be, though, that even Muslims who are U.S. citizens should be deported...

The problem is difficult, but not insurmountable. WWII looked insurmountable in the beginning, but it was not.

I know you disagree with me on the question of whether or not Islam can be reformed. I think it is possible, and in fact is the only way Islam is going to survive long term. Assuming that mass conversion to another religion is unlikely, I think it behooves us to carrot-and-stick them into something more resembling Unitarianism.

The fact is that the Koran, Hadith and Shariah call for the murder of anyone who criticized or even questions the Koran or Mohamed. A doctor in Pakistan was given the death sentence for even suggesting that Mohamed might have had pubic hair. If you were a Muslim in "holy" Muslim lands, how would you go about this reformation? What would you say? What would you do? Any attempt at reformation of that bloodthirsty, misogynistic death-cult runs right up against a prefabbed wall of ruthless murder and fatwa.

Reformation is impossible!

At times when different Christian groups have acted like jerks, the Bible stood there in accusation against them.

When Muslims act like peaceful, civilized human beings, the "holy" Koran stands there in accusation against them and calls for their slaughter at the hands of REAL Muslims.

There is no religion on earth like Islam, because it is NOT a religion. It's diabolical nature is attested to by its propensity for evil and its irredeemable nature. I have no problem associating with and befriending and living next to folks of ANY religion on earth, but not Islam. It is here to kill you and me, Malakhi, or force us onto a prayer rug to worship some damned meteorite and bloodthirsty moon god.

Neither you nor I will ever do that, but weakness, doubt, hypersensitivity and hesitation on our parts may get other good Americans killed.

This is not a game, Malakhi, and it's not a joke. The primitives are in this for the long haul and it is a fight to the death.

"The primitives are in this for the long haul and it is a fight to the death."

Bingo. What can we do about this? The president, whom I did everything possible to help re-elect, continues to pander to these monsters among us by referring to this blood-and-death cult as "a religion of peace" and "one of the world's great religions." Tony Blair has done the same, many times.

They both know better. Why do they deliberately say such things? The tail is already wagging the dog big-time in England, so Blair's policy of going easy on Islam is understandable for political reasons. Here, Bush needs to start calling this pestilence what it is - a concerted effort to weaken and then destroy our country.

If we Americans don't do something, it won't be long before American tax payers will be funding the building of elaborate mosques all over America, as French taxpayers are now meekly doing without protest! It's sickening.

Char

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