Posted on 12/30/2004 9:19:55 AM PST by The Great Yazoo
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Police Powers: Model and Reality
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Exactly.
"And it instructs those same governments & their officials to take action to defend that right, -- regardless of whether private citizens, corporations, or other groups/governments are so infringing."
Bullsh^t.
Show me the specific section where the Constitution "instructs those same governments & their officials to take action to defend that right, -- regardless of whether private citizens, corporations, or other groups/governments are so infringing."
You won't because you refuse to back any of the ridiculous claims you continuously litter this forum with, and you refuse to do so because you make stuff up out of whole cloth, and yor own feeble, misguided imagination.
Now, it's time for you to put up or shut up.
Post the Artcile, Section and Clause where the Constitution intructs the government to do what you claim it does.
"It prohibits Federal/State/local governments from infringing on our rights to keep and bear arms...
-- And it instructs those same governments & their officials to take action to defend that right, -- regardless of whether private citizens, corporations, or other groups/governments are so infringing."
jones
Here's Article VI since as usual you can't back up any of your bullsh%t, I'll post it and expose you for the illiterate fraud that you are:
Article. VI.
Clause 1: All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Passing a law which violates the basic right of a property owner to set the rules of access to his property violates the natural rights of property owners, it defends nothing because no one's rights are being threatened. Since you're not forced to enter my property against your will, you don't have to forfeit your gun.
You can simply walk away and you keep your gun while I keep my property rights.
Instead, people like you believe that the government has a right to violate the rights of others in order to support your beliefs, people exactly like yourself violate property rights in the name of endangered animal species, trees, and even habitats.
You are just a gun-toting leftist...that's all. You believe that the government exists to violate rights in the name of the communal good, and that private property should be subjected to the will of the misguided minority. People like yourself have given powers to the government to violate property rights and actualize land grabs all over the US.
As usual, you have no idea, nor can you verbalize anything but your idiotic misinterpretation of the Constitution.
Post the Artcile, Section and Clause where the Constitution intructs the government to do what you claim it does.
Article VI.
Read the whole thing. It's short. -- Although I doubt that will help you to understand the basic concept it outlines.
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Passing a law which violates the basic right of a property owner to set the rules of access to his property violates the natural rights of property owners, it defends nothing because no one's rights are being threatened.
Making unreasonable rules which infringe upon the basic right of the people to carry arms to & from work sets parking lot property owners in conflict with the public policy inherent in the 2nd Amendment.
Such 'rules' defend nothing because no one's property rights are being threatened.
Since you're not forced to enter my property against your will, you don't have to forfeit your gun. You can simply walk away and you keep your gun while I keep my property rights.
You provide a parking lot for employee use. Simply walk away and let them keep their guns locked in their cars. Your property rights are not threatened in any way.
Instead, people like you believe that the government has a right to violate the rights of others in order to support your beliefs,
Not so. Instead, you seem to believe that the government must support parking lot owners property rights in order to justify a belief that guns locked in cars are evil.
The reverse is true, as Article VI proves:
" -- The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; -- "
people exactly like yourself violate property rights in the name of endangered animal species, trees, and even habitats. You are just a gun-toting leftist...that's all. You believe that the government exists to violate rights in the name of the communal good, and that private property should be subjected to the will of the misguided minority.
No, I believe that a misguided minority of anti-gun nuts are cynically using property rights to infringe upon our rights to bear arms.
People like yourself have given powers to the government to violate property rights and actualize land grabs all over the US.
Empty rhetoric. I do not support land grabs.
As usual, you have no idea, nor can you verbalize anything but your idiotic misinterpretation of the Constitution.
My arguments here are clear enough. You can't counter them with logic, thus the constant personal invective.
Making a law which infringes on a property owner's right to set rules of access to his property because you're too lazy to find alternative parking is the utmost in liberal thinking.
You have no right to park on my property against my wishes, and your entire argument is based on a lie.
The Second Amendment Foundation and the Constitution Foundation BOTH agree with my argument, but you're too much of an idiot to actually understand them.
You believe that you have a right to park on private property according to your terms, not the property owners.
The Oklahoma law will go down in flames.
They are making unreasonable rules which infringe upon the basic right of the people to carry arms to & from work.
Making a law which infringes on a property owner's right to set rules of access to his property because you're too lazy to find alternative parking is the utmost in liberal thinking.
Companies provide a parking lot for employee use. They can simply walk away and let them keep their guns locked in their cars. Property rights are not "infringed" or threatened in any way.
You have no right to park on my property against my wishes, and your entire argument is based on a lie.
Lie? What lie? My arguments here are clear enough. You can't counter them with logic, thus the constant personal invective.
The Second Amendment Foundation and the Constitution Foundation BOTH agree with my argument, but you're too much of an idiot to actually understand them.
You argue here that employees guns, locked in cars in company parking lots, -- somehow violate property rights.. Neither of the Foundations have agreed with that argument.
You believe that you have a right to park on private property according to your terms, not the property owners.
No, I'm saying that employees should not be barred from locking their arms in their vehicles while on company provided lots.
The Oklahoma law will go down in flames.
Why do you want it to go down in flames?
Why do you want employees disarmed?
Who is harmed by a gun in a locked car?
These anti-gun nuts include the Second Amendment Foundation, the Constitution Foundation, and other pro Second Amendment organizations.
The only misguided minority nutjob left here is you.
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