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To: tbird5
On Greta van Susteren's show tonight, a young woman who managed to survive the tsunami waves without serious difficulty was telling her story. At one point, she said that she felt blessed by God, protected by God, and that her parents' prayers had been answered.

Okay, I'll cut her a little slack because of her situation. And those are the kinds of words that people say without thinking much about them. But the implications of those words are still disturbing. Do we really want to think of ourselves as inhabitants of a universe created and ruled by a deity which operates in the way this young woman seems to think, a deity which, seemingly on a whim, allows over 100,000 people to perish in truly horrible ways, but protects others from harm because of prayer interventions and the like?

If I thought our universe worked this way, I'd be disappointed in its design.

11 posted on 12/30/2004 10:21:28 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

God didn't kill those people, a tsunami did. I don't see how you can think that woman wasn't blessed. She's alive isn't she.

Personally I like the design. When I die, I get to live for eternity in heaven. If you've accepted and believe in that Designer you complain about, you've got nothing to worry about. If God were an evil god, he would have just left us to die without any hope. It's not his fault some people reject Him. He's done everything outside of take away our free will to convince us. Would you rather he made us robots with no choice but to believe in our creator. If you reject God all your life and then get killed in a tsunami, you have no one else to blame for your eternity but yourself.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 10:32:08 PM PST by Giliad (Ouside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Do we really want to think of ourselves as inhabitants of a universe created and ruled by a deity which operates in the way this young woman seems to think, a deity which, seemingly on a whim, allows over 100,000 people to perish in truly horrible ways, but protects others from harm because of prayer interventions and the like?

If I thought our universe worked this way, I'd be disappointed in its design.


Would that design really be any worse than a world where we are all here merely by some cosmic accident, where there is no Creator, and where all the suffering we do is merely a result of random events (bad luck)? What would be the point of remaining alive? If someone were in a car accident tomorrow, and ended up paralyzed at the age of 20, would it be more comforting to know that it was simply bad luck, and that all of those sorrowful years spent since then amounted to nothing, and served nothing?

Whether there is a Creator or not, most people endure some pretty dark days in their lives, maybe even dark enough to make them question whether remaining alive is worth the price. There may be a few in this world who live lives without significant pain, but I think I have yet to meet one. Wouldn't believing in a divine purpose make it somewhat easier to bear? A universe without a Creator means that everything we do and suffer is for nothing.
35 posted on 12/30/2004 10:51:13 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: snarks_when_bored

Perhaps her saying she was blessed by God means something other than how you understand her words.

If I say I am Blessed by God, it is a way of giving gratitude that I can continue to enjoy the gift of life here on earth.

My son has died three times and come back in his life, he says life is a gift to be lived as vessels of Christ for as long as we can. Is he perfect no he is human and as much as he lives his life as that vessel the human he is sometimes overides that.

I know what he has shared with me about eternity so I don't bother to mope or question why anymore and live by faith treating others with the traits Christ has taught us. Yes I do have my cruddy days and it is harder to love as Christ has taught us, but I try regardless.

I have a new pup who can load up into his crate up in the van but the last week he refuses no matter what I try.

Yes he is stubborn but I was determined to not give in either to the point I lost my temper and fumed afterward. When I chilled I felt bad and thought maybe this pup has an orthopedic issue that I cannot see, so I will turn the crate around so the door is facing into the van and let him take the wheelchair lift up so he does not have to jump. I am human too.


84 posted on 12/31/2004 1:31:49 AM PST by oceanperch (2005 is going to be an Awesome Year, IMO)
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To: snarks_when_bored

The woman's comments about 'being blessed by God' are, as you say, often said by people -- without thinking about their implication. People who say them, don't mean to imply that others who were not as fortunate simply were not blessed by God ---- but that is what I always think it, innocently, implies.

"God was watching over me" means that those who suffered and died did not have "God watching over them'?? I don't think so.

In the paper, there was one account of one poor woman, who lost her family. She cried to God, asking why He did not take her. Asking him 'did he not love her enought not to take her also'?

A different way of looking on things.




115 posted on 12/31/2004 3:53:05 AM PST by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
#11..I don't know where to begin with your statement....
..and I believe you to be genuinely asking these questions.

1.---God doesn't act on 'whims'....

2.-Yes, there are intercessory prayers.

3.-Please read the book of Job, in the Old Testament.

Look, you or I didn't create this universe......God did..

You really need to get in touch with the living God.

Please consider reading through the whole Bible.....(there are helps in any Christian Bookstore on how to get started and how to pace yourself and how to understand what you're reading.)

129 posted on 12/31/2004 5:48:12 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: snarks_when_bored

It's something people say during things like this when there's no real explanation of why you're spared and others aren't. I suspect she will feel survivor guilt one day.


240 posted on 01/02/2005 8:30:33 PM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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