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The Tsunami, Satellite Images, BEFORE AND AFTER. AMAZING!! (Warning: Graphic images downthread)
crushelits | Dec. 30, 2004 | crushelits

Posted on 12/30/2004 11:21:35 PM PST by crushelits

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To: FDNYRHEROES
As graphic as that picture is, it is necessary to see it to give some sort of sense to the large loss of life. While satelite photos maybe impressive, they just convey the loss of prime real estate, not the loss of human beings. The focal point of the dead bodies photo reinforces the fact that the bodies are all individuals, not numbers. They all had lives and loved ones less than a week ago. The daily updated body count lost all meaning a few days back. As was said a long time ago, "one death is a tragedy; Six million deaths is a statistic".

You've done a better job of expressing it than I could. This picture, together with the satellite images, will convey the scale of this disaster far better than words on a page. Believe it or not, there are worse photos that are available. I chose this one because it gives an idea of the massive loss of life from the perspective of someone who is there, on the ground -- but it is within limits that most of us find tolerable.

151 posted on 01/01/2005 8:15:18 AM PST by Bryan
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To: js1138
We are also looking at something the U.N. should be good at. Where exactly are they?

Based on past performance, the UN will do nothing but issue useless resolutions for the next 12 years. If anyone is going to actually do anything effective about this, it is up to individual nations and corporations to form a coalition.

152 posted on 01/01/2005 8:20:02 AM PST by Bryan
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To: crushelits

I believe the original source of the pictures is from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

Should acknowlege the source.


153 posted on 01/01/2005 6:24:08 PM PST by ohkw
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To: ohkw
No, the images are not from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

and NO I do not have to reveal or acknowledge the source.

154 posted on 01/01/2005 7:11:04 PM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Yes, they are from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

Go to this page and scroll down to "Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia" and click on the links there.
These images are copyrighted © CRISP 2004.

I appreciate your sharing of these images in this forum. They really show the devastating effects of the tsunamis on Aceh. But Please.... Respect the rights of others if you want yourself to be respected. I don't think piracy is allowed in this forum.


155 posted on 01/02/2005 5:03:40 AM PST by hyperspec
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To: Scothia

Did you even READ the title? What do you think "graphic images" means? When you put almost no effort into it like that, I bet it's really, really hard for you to get offended. /sarcasm


156 posted on 01/02/2005 5:07:48 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: Kurt_D

Did you read the title of the thread? If you don't like your photos graphic, why would you go looking for them?


157 posted on 01/02/2005 5:28:52 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: KEEPEROFTHEGATE

The title of the THREAD should have tipped you off. Avoid graphic images if you don't like them.


158 posted on 01/02/2005 5:31:38 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA; TexKat

Wow. It'll be good to see follow-up photos in upcoming days and weeks, as the last of the trapped seawater evaporates.


159 posted on 01/02/2005 5:50:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: crushelits

My God!!! Those poor people. God be with them...
Prayers to all.


160 posted on 01/02/2005 6:22:08 AM PST by gimme1ibertee (A liberal is a mental case is a liberal.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Well... I wasn't expecting them to be THAT graphic.


161 posted on 01/02/2005 7:14:19 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: Scothia; Kurt_D; KEEPEROFTHEGATE; LibertarianInExile
The original title of the thread read like this:
The Tsunami, Satellite Images, BEFORE AND AFTER. AMAZING!!

the warning was added after the post from Bryan:

21 posted on 12/30/2004 11:39:29 PM PST by Bryan

162 posted on 01/02/2005 7:24:15 AM PST by crushelits
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To: hyperspec
Regardless of what you are saying, the images are NOT,
from
http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

I posted the photos, so I should no better don't you think?

163 posted on 01/02/2005 7:28:55 AM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Almost too much to comprehend...

I don't what to do first.
Cry, pray, or throw up.


164 posted on 01/02/2005 7:42:36 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: crushelits

Alright. You might not have gotten all of them directly from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

Some of these satellite images have appeared at various web pages. e.g. photos identical to your photos 8, 9 also appear in:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=12647
(NASA Earth Observatory)

http://www.reuters.com/newsPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=topNews&imageID=1001619653
(Reuters)

Note that they all credit them to CRISP. These are the image set "d" of "Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia" on CRISP's web page. At least these two images originated from CRISP. Comparing the other images you posted with those on CRISP's web page, I dare to challenge that all of the images you posted originated from CRISP.

Yes, I think I know better than you do. If you had any slight knowledge about satellite imaging, you wouldn't insist that these pictures could have originated from some other sources. If you don't believe what I say, please check with the sources where you got your images from. No matter where you got them from, you are violating the copyright of whoever producing the images in the first place by not acknowleging the original source of the images you posted. This is the point I am trying to make clear. I believe folks at CRISP won't mind people copying their images and showing them elsewhere. It is their intentions to let the public see the pictures, otherwise they wouldn't post them on their web page. But it is also my belief that credits should be given where they are due. Otherwise, you are no better than a pirate.

Another remark: Please don't shout. It is not good for you :-)








165 posted on 01/02/2005 8:29:36 AM PST by hyperspec
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To: hyperspec
Sorry, but I was not shouting,
I was just making a point.
Some insist that I got the photos from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

that's just fine, but I did not get the pics from these sites either:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=12647
(NASA Earth Observatory)

http://www.reuters.com/newsPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=topNews&imageID=1001619653
(Reuters)

Anyway, why does it matter where I got them from?What's the point?

166 posted on 01/02/2005 9:25:12 AM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Did you see his FR date? Today.


167 posted on 01/02/2005 9:44:01 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Prost1

It is interesting (great relief!) to note that the people in one of the first sets of Tsunami-related threads actually survived. It was feared that they reacted to the approaching waves too late.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/2813884/


168 posted on 01/02/2005 10:09:32 AM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: rockrr

Thanks for the link. I was wondering about them. God spared that whole family and I am amazed.


169 posted on 01/02/2005 11:50:35 AM PST by Blowtorch
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To: crushelits

ping


170 posted on 01/02/2005 2:40:41 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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To: SunkenCiv

Bump


171 posted on 01/02/2005 3:16:14 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Bryan

Let this photo be a reminder to all of what is really meant by 'debris' in all the news stories you are reading about the tsunami.

Horrible. Yes. Especially when juxtaposed with photos of happy people on the beach -- curious people at the seawall watching a big wave in the distance -- terrified people running from a HUGE wave towering over their heads. They ran but could not escape. This is what happened to them.

Now I know a tiny bit of the reality of that experience.

Thank you Bryan.


172 posted on 01/02/2005 3:44:18 PM PST by Jerez2
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To: jellybean

Imagine being there, having to wade through filthy water, cholera infection spreading through the air and water, the smell of rotting and burning bodies almost too much to bear, to drag supplies to victims, who considered you their enemy.


173 posted on 01/02/2005 5:54:09 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Bryan

I agree wholeheartedly with you postin that picture here.

People need to unbderstand this tragedy in immediate terms, not just as statistics, and this photograph accomplishes that end. I lived in Aceh for four years, and these kind and openhearted people were my friends.

I am certian that your intention was not to de-humanize these victims, but to humanize the viewers, who too often in these posts abstract all Muslims into animals.

These were human beings.


174 posted on 01/02/2005 7:44:36 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: UCANSEE2

"Who considered their enemy"? What are you talking about?

I knew these people for years and lived among them. They most certainly did not consider me or any other American as their enemy.

Achenese are very open and accepting people. They are not Arabs.


175 posted on 01/02/2005 7:47:17 PM PST by John Valentine
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marking


176 posted on 01/02/2005 7:56:36 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: John Valentine
"Who considered their enemy"? What are you talking about?

I am considering the Asian Pacific Rim countries, all of them that were effected. Many are dominated by Muslims. I understand (correct me if wrong) that OBL was considering ACEH for relocation plans. That AQ has established a foot hold there and in other rim countries.

177 posted on 01/02/2005 10:40:48 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I have been given to understand by friends who have maintained ties in Aceh long since I left my assignment there that indeed, Salafi influence has grown there along with intolerance toward non-Muslims, very unfortunately.

But, I believe that Achenese in general bear the US no ill will, and in fact are well disposed toward Americans.

This tragedy will not help the Islamists at all in Aceh as it will be clear to the people who it is that is helping them in real terms and who it is that is sending them Korans and dim-witted Imams.


178 posted on 01/02/2005 11:44:48 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: crushelits

It doesn't matter where you got the images from. I don't really care where they come from. It does matter if you refuse to acknowlege the original sources. The point is about respecting the rights of others, respect for intellectual properties, respect for copyright, and giving credits when credits are due, not to mention the legal aspects.

And I would like to bring your attention to a clause in the User Agreement of this forum:

"Free Republic is a supporter of free speech on the Internet but we believe that along with the privilege of free speech comes the responsibility to respect the rights of others."

Undeniably, the pictures you posted are great stuffs, no matter where they come from. Don't you agree that whoever produced these images should receive the credits they deserved? You got these images for free (I bet without the knowledge of the original producer). I really can't understand why you insisted on refusing to acknowlege the sources. In the academic world, this is called "plagiarism". In legal terms, it is "violation of copyright". In layman terms, it is called "stealing" or "piracy".


179 posted on 01/03/2005 2:12:26 AM PST by hyperspec
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To: crushelits

Those areas were doubly cursed. It is apparent that the entire area is very low lying, with much development made via levees and landfill. When the earthquake hit, there must have been lots of liquifaction, destroying foundations and undermining roads, not to mention causing failure of some of the levees. Then, when the tsunami hit, the normal protective structures were not at full strength, even in cases where they were not overtopped. The final insult to injury was the return flow. What a mess.


180 posted on 01/03/2005 2:37:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: crushelits

bump for future reference


181 posted on 01/03/2005 2:55:21 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: brigette

Thanks for some political background. . .


182 posted on 01/03/2005 5:13:53 PM PST by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: BunnySlippers

same here


183 posted on 01/03/2005 5:17:35 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Scothia; crushelits; All
Think there is fair-warning here; and surely after the first glance; one is free to 'move on'.

It is what happened; what the survivors are dealing with; and what all those journalists on cable news, are trying to convey; and share; but cannot show .

184 posted on 01/03/2005 5:19:52 PM PST by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: Bryan
"Where exactly are they?" (U.N.)

They are following the money. . .

185 posted on 01/03/2005 5:22:02 PM PST by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: Silver Bird Worker
Unfortunate, but true. The Quake also awoke an extinct volcano.
186 posted on 01/04/2005 8:57:51 AM PST by karmabat
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To: Bryan

holy fish pace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(


187 posted on 01/05/2005 7:26:38 PM PST by jumpingjupiter
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To: crushelits

As I understand it, the island of Sumatra (I think it was that one) was pushed 100 feet to the southwest by the water. The ENTIRE ISLAND! It altered the core of the earth and compressed it as well, so now the earth rotates a little faster, like an iceskater drawing their arms in during a spin to spin faster! Truly an event of Biblical proportions to say the least!


188 posted on 01/18/2005 4:25:38 AM PST by ouchsp
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