Skip to comments.The Tsunami, Satellite Images, BEFORE AND AFTER. AMAZING!! (Warning: Graphic images downthread)
Posted on 12/30/2004 11:21:35 PM PST by crushelits
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You've done a better job of expressing it than I could. This picture, together with the satellite images, will convey the scale of this disaster far better than words on a page. Believe it or not, there are worse photos that are available. I chose this one because it gives an idea of the massive loss of life from the perspective of someone who is there, on the ground -- but it is within limits that most of us find tolerable.
Based on past performance, the UN will do nothing but issue useless resolutions for the next 12 years. If anyone is going to actually do anything effective about this, it is up to individual nations and corporations to form a coalition.
I believe the original source of the pictures is from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html
Should acknowlege the source.
and NO I do not have to reveal or acknowledge the source.
Yes, they are from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html
Go to this page and scroll down to "Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia" and click on the links there.
These images are copyrighted © CRISP 2004.
I appreciate your sharing of these images in this forum. They really show the devastating effects of the tsunamis on Aceh. But Please.... Respect the rights of others if you want yourself to be respected. I don't think piracy is allowed in this forum.
Did you even READ the title? What do you think "graphic images" means? When you put almost no effort into it like that, I bet it's really, really hard for you to get offended. /sarcasm
Did you read the title of the thread? If you don't like your photos graphic, why would you go looking for them?
The title of the THREAD should have tipped you off. Avoid graphic images if you don't like them.
Wow. It'll be good to see follow-up photos in upcoming days and weeks, as the last of the trapped seawater evaporates.
My God!!! Those poor people. God be with them...
Prayers to all.
Well... I wasn't expecting them to be THAT graphic.
Almost too much to comprehend...
I don't what to do first.
Cry, pray, or throw up.
Alright. You might not have gotten all of them directly from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html
Some of these satellite images have appeared at various web pages. e.g. photos identical to your photos 8, 9 also appear in:
(NASA Earth Observatory)
Note that they all credit them to CRISP. These are the image set "d" of "Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia" on CRISP's web page. At least these two images originated from CRISP. Comparing the other images you posted with those on CRISP's web page, I dare to challenge that all of the images you posted originated from CRISP.
Yes, I think I know better than you do. If you had any slight knowledge about satellite imaging, you wouldn't insist that these pictures could have originated from some other sources. If you don't believe what I say, please check with the sources where you got your images from. No matter where you got them from, you are violating the copyright of whoever producing the images in the first place by not acknowleging the original source of the images you posted. This is the point I am trying to make clear. I believe folks at CRISP won't mind people copying their images and showing them elsewhere. It is their intentions to let the public see the pictures, otherwise they wouldn't post them on their web page. But it is also my belief that credits should be given where they are due. Otherwise, you are no better than a pirate.
Another remark: Please don't shout. It is not good for you :-)
Anyway, why does it matter where I got them from?What's the point?
Did you see his FR date? Today.
It is interesting (great relief!) to note that the people in one of the first sets of Tsunami-related threads actually survived. It was feared that they reacted to the approaching waves too late.
Thanks for the link. I was wondering about them. God spared that whole family and I am amazed.
Let this photo be a reminder to all of what is really meant by 'debris' in all the news stories you are reading about the tsunami.
Horrible. Yes. Especially when juxtaposed with photos of happy people on the beach -- curious people at the seawall watching a big wave in the distance -- terrified people running from a HUGE wave towering over their heads. They ran but could not escape. This is what happened to them.
Now I know a tiny bit of the reality of that experience.
Thank you Bryan.
Imagine being there, having to wade through filthy water, cholera infection spreading through the air and water, the smell of rotting and burning bodies almost too much to bear, to drag supplies to victims, who considered you their enemy.
I agree wholeheartedly with you postin that picture here.
People need to unbderstand this tragedy in immediate terms, not just as statistics, and this photograph accomplishes that end. I lived in Aceh for four years, and these kind and openhearted people were my friends.
I am certian that your intention was not to de-humanize these victims, but to humanize the viewers, who too often in these posts abstract all Muslims into animals.
These were human beings.
"Who considered their enemy"? What are you talking about?
I knew these people for years and lived among them. They most certainly did not consider me or any other American as their enemy.
Achenese are very open and accepting people. They are not Arabs.
I am considering the Asian Pacific Rim countries, all of them that were effected. Many are dominated by Muslims. I understand (correct me if wrong) that OBL was considering ACEH for relocation plans. That AQ has established a foot hold there and in other rim countries.
I have been given to understand by friends who have maintained ties in Aceh long since I left my assignment there that indeed, Salafi influence has grown there along with intolerance toward non-Muslims, very unfortunately.
But, I believe that Achenese in general bear the US no ill will, and in fact are well disposed toward Americans.
This tragedy will not help the Islamists at all in Aceh as it will be clear to the people who it is that is helping them in real terms and who it is that is sending them Korans and dim-witted Imams.
It doesn't matter where you got the images from. I don't really care where they come from. It does matter if you refuse to acknowlege the original sources. The point is about respecting the rights of others, respect for intellectual properties, respect for copyright, and giving credits when credits are due, not to mention the legal aspects.
And I would like to bring your attention to a clause in the User Agreement of this forum:
"Free Republic is a supporter of free speech on the Internet but we believe that along with the privilege of free speech comes the responsibility to respect the rights of others."
Undeniably, the pictures you posted are great stuffs, no matter where they come from. Don't you agree that whoever produced these images should receive the credits they deserved? You got these images for free (I bet without the knowledge of the original producer). I really can't understand why you insisted on refusing to acknowlege the sources. In the academic world, this is called "plagiarism". In legal terms, it is "violation of copyright". In layman terms, it is called "stealing" or "piracy".
Those areas were doubly cursed. It is apparent that the entire area is very low lying, with much development made via levees and landfill. When the earthquake hit, there must have been lots of liquifaction, destroying foundations and undermining roads, not to mention causing failure of some of the levees. Then, when the tsunami hit, the normal protective structures were not at full strength, even in cases where they were not overtopped. The final insult to injury was the return flow. What a mess.
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Thanks for some political background. . .
It is what happened; what the survivors are dealing with; and what all those journalists on cable news, are trying to convey; and share; but cannot show .
They are following the money. . .
holy fish pace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
As I understand it, the island of Sumatra (I think it was that one) was pushed 100 feet to the southwest by the water. The ENTIRE ISLAND! It altered the core of the earth and compressed it as well, so now the earth rotates a little faster, like an iceskater drawing their arms in during a spin to spin faster! Truly an event of Biblical proportions to say the least!
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