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NYT(All the News That Fits on our Petard): At Leak Inquiry's Center, a Circumspect Columnist (Novak)
New York Times ^ | December 31, 2004 | LORNE MANLY and ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 12/31/2004 6:27:03 AM PST by OESY

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1 posted on 12/31/2004 6:27:05 AM PST by OESY
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To: OESY

IMO it's still a big hullabaloo over nothing.
Just one more phase of the game "Gotcha!" by
the Left.


2 posted on 12/31/2004 6:43:46 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: OESY
Dear Mr. Hunt, The sources for the CBS story produced fraudulent documents designed to effect a presidential election.

Novak's sources provided truthful information that questioned the credibility of a NYT editorial that subsequently turned on misrepresented reportage. Wilson ultimately reported to the 9/11 commission that Iraq was trying to purchase yellowcake from Niger.

Your inability to distinquish truth from fraud is what has earned you such a high profile on the left. Here at FR it makes you a garden variety left wing hack.

BTW, your retirement from the WSJ is long overdue.

3 posted on 12/31/2004 6:55:34 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Grendel9

Any time someone quotes Geneva Overholser on ethics, I start laughing.


4 posted on 12/31/2004 6:56:29 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: OESY

"He has been a stout cold warrior, a critic of Israeli policies and a passionate defender of military veterans who criticized Senator John Kerry's Vietnam War record."

Two out of three, ain't bad.


5 posted on 12/31/2004 7:00:04 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: OESY

"he has been uncharacteristically circumspect."

Sounds like a good policy.


6 posted on 12/31/2004 7:01:16 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: OESY
"Mr. Novak, whose column identifying the officer set off this showdown, has been under increasing pressure in recent weeks to explain his role."

What leverage do those who want Novak to explain have over him? Is whining by the NYT considered to be pressure?
7 posted on 12/31/2004 7:03:08 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: OESY
"I don't know why they're upset with me," Mr. Novak said. "They ought to worry about themselves. I worry about myself."

Because worrying about what other people do is the essence of liberalism.
8 posted on 12/31/2004 7:05:29 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: cyncooper; backhoe

Plame game ping!


9 posted on 12/31/2004 7:16:10 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: OESY

I know it's a quibble but a "petard" is a bomb, not some kind of spear. "Hoist by his own petard" means 'blown up by his own bomb'.


10 posted on 12/31/2004 7:23:19 AM PST by Grut
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To: Grut; OESY
Yup, features in Hamlet.
11 posted on 12/31/2004 7:26:19 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: OESY

All this coming from a bunch of inane leftists who have no respect for the dead or their own country.

Using the current tragedy to bash America.

Scumbags.


12 posted on 12/31/2004 7:32:15 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Grendel9
LOL.....the media is particularly offended by this entire fiasco.

They love leaks that harm this administration. And at first this seemed made to order to fit their agenda.

However, it has come to pass that NYSlimes reporters are being threatened with jail, and now it's not so amusing after all!!!!!

13 posted on 12/31/2004 7:34:13 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: OESY
Although Mr. Novak is a conservative, he does not move in lockstep with the Bush administration.

That's because Mr. Novak is a conservative Democrat, gentlemen.

14 posted on 12/31/2004 7:56:05 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: OESY
The NYT article's authors seemingly have their blinders on. There is at least one other plausible explanation for what's going on that comes to mind, that is, if you have an inclination towards lateral thinking.

Since the grand jury operates in secret, we do not know precisely what possible crime(s) it may be investigating. Piecing together the actual intent and targets of a grand jury investigation from the statements of some of the witnesses is at best a hit-or-miss proposition (remember the lies that Sid "Vicious" Blumenthal told about his experiences inside the Monicagate 'Starr Chamber'?) It is not out of the question that the law that everybody is assuming may have been broken (the one regarding intentional disclosure of an agent's identity), may in fact not have been broken, and instead the grand jury's focus is directed elsewhere.

For example, wouldn't it be a hoot if the grand jury were investigating a conspiracy by Wilson and others (such as the NYT) to subvert the work of the CIA and to threaten national security by mounting those false, vicious, and malicious attacks against the administration? I am not talking about freedom of the press issues here. Instead, the possibility of a well-orchestrated and financed plot to undermine the government, maybe even with foreign sources of cash in plain brown wrappers passed under the table. Can't you just smell the oil-for-food money link here?

Rather than seeing Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs, wouldn't it be great to see Joe Wilson's mug shot plastered on the front pages? And wouldn't it cause the angry left's heads to explode in a collective fit of apoplexy?

15 posted on 12/31/2004 8:28:31 AM PST by The Electrician
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To: OESY

Let's see if I have this straight. Robert Novak should name his sources because he's a dirty conservative, but left-wing reporters should NOT name their sources, because they serve the Good Cause?

Is that the distinction these writers are trying to get at?


16 posted on 12/31/2004 9:14:19 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Grendel9
IMO it's still a big hullabaloo over nothing.

Actually, it's a "hullabaloo" over a very important point, but not the conventional wisdom take (and that has been obvious to me since practically the start). It's the CIA rogues undermining of America and the "reporters'" role in that which is being investigated. Novak has not participated in that except to expose a part of it. Cooper has (along with other reporters) participated in it. Miller is a witness with pertinent information to the investigation. That's my theory.

17 posted on 12/31/2004 9:17:06 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: MizSterious

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 12/31/2004 9:19:55 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: The Electrician
It is not out of the question that the law that everybody is assuming may have been broken (the one regarding intentional disclosure of an agent's identity), may in fact not have been broken, and instead the grand jury's focus is directed elsewhere.

For example, wouldn't it be a hoot if the grand jury were investigating a conspiracy by Wilson and others (such as the NYT) to subvert the work of the CIA and to threaten national security by mounting those false, vicious, and malicious attacks against the administration?

Exactly. That has been my theory since the start.

19 posted on 12/31/2004 9:22:08 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: The Electrician
Instead, the possibility of a well-orchestrated and financed plot to undermine the government, maybe even with foreign sources of cash in plain brown wrappers passed under the table.

BTW, to buttress our theory, note the "Sexed up Dossier" charge was being rolled out in England against Blair via the media and "leaks" at the very same time the Wilson forces started planting their story over here (and also the BBC carried Wilson stories quoting an anonymous "CIA official" who just happened to tell the reporter the Wilson version. That would be the version that was a flat out lie against the Bush administration).

It was a two-pronged charge "Bush lied", "Blair sexed up". Hardly a coincidence, IMO.

20 posted on 12/31/2004 9:26:30 AM PST by cyncooper
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