Posted on 01/03/2005 8:31:56 AM PST by qam1
oh shite....I'm sorry I missed this one....man....this is bound to be full of goodies.
Procreate baby!
I look forward to reading the whole thread.
*LOL*
Okay, I know most FReeper parents are probably the greatest and all, but there has been rarely a time I've gone shopping and *not* seen screaming, snotty brats in the aisles, towing along their cowed/(a)pathetic/resentful "parents".
I'm sorry but I'm glad you're here too homeo!
I got four and want more.
and I am still yer pal!
Ha! Good point.
No offense, but do you expect children to behave perfectly, all of the time? Especially with bad examples?
How can we expect that of children when even adults don't know how to comport themselves properly half the time? (Paris Hilton, Vince Neil are two that come to mind immediately for me). Heck, my husband sees people come into his restaurant that don't behave half as well as our children, and these people are adults! :0)
I really feel that it's up to God and not me (or us). So, if it happens, I will accept it with an open heart and know that it's His decision.
you should not be judged.
even folks married who don't have kids should not be scorned.
but, it's the reason some of them give or nay, celebrate for eschewing spawning that draws ire.
like this gal's career obsession or the lefty platitudes or the "we need the time for each other stuff"
self obsession in their case and well and good they don;t have children,
but sadly, the folks who should be having the most here in the west are those having the least and in the longterm...this will turn the "first world" on it's head.
Judging from the crickets, it appears quite difficult to refute your spot-on comment. :-)
Well...you sure have legions of ready "squires" around here dear.
It's not my term, so don't shoot the messenger. You may look it up.
You need a handmaiden Kevin!
I would disagree.
But, you don't know love of a child until you have a child.
relax....she is not a mean freeper.
"personal" could have meant fertility issues Sink...as opposed to ideological.
Don't get mad at me....I am a master procreater.
Me too, we should form a club. Nah, we're all already here...lol
Since the children in our family are either home-schooled or in private schools, I find it hard to imagine how childless taxpayers are helping rear our next generation. We pay double, to keep the government schools open to babysit and to pay for our children's education.
You're not paying for mine...and neither am I through my substantial property taxes either that go for crap PC public schools btw. They go private like anyone in Southern urban areas who can afford it.
But thanks for the thought.
Wish we could itemize where out tax dollars go...lol
I believe there are animals that are much more worthy of my love and affection than some humans.
I do not intrinisically value the life of a human just because they look like me, but value them because they are life. That doesn't mean I would treat them like animals.
But the obverse is also not true...while I value animals because they live, I do not intrinsically value them just because they are life. I believe there are animals that were put here for me to eat and sole my shoes with. Some were also put here to give me love, and vice versa.
Giving a choice between saving an anonymous human and my favorite cat or dog, I will have to choose the human. Just the way it is.
Giving a choice between saving Osama Bin Laden or Jeffrey Dahlmer and my favorite cat or dog, there is no contest. The paw is going to be in my hand.
Bottom line, I think there are some people who aren't worth the effort it takes to spit on 'em. And I think there are some animals I would run into a burning house to save. But the rules are never fast and true.
Actually, I did address that at one point. I believe I said that property taxes to support public schools is unfair. (Especially when you either don't have children, or send them to a private school you are paying for yourself.)
Other than that, I don't believe you two or anyone else is helping to "subsidize" raising my children. Besides, most of mine aren't in school yet, and the one who is attends a Catholic school. No voucher for that, by the way.
We pay for our own health insurance, and don't take a dime for assistance from ANYONE. Perhaps if more folks did so, you wouldn't have to make arguments like that to defend your choices.
FWIW, if you don't want kids, fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, per se. But try not to bash people who do have kids (or the kids themselves) when doing so. Generalizations are dangerous in a discussion like this. Married folks with kids shouldn't bash those who choose not to ahve kids, and vice versa. Maybe then things would be a bit more civilized. We can make our points without being rude. I have slipped up on that, but after seeing the way this thread has gone, I am going to try a heckuva a lot harder not to.
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