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JRR Tolkien: Ringing in a Liberal or Conservative New Year
Tech Central Station ^ | January 4, 2005 | Joshua Livestro

Posted on 01/04/2005 6:42:27 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: Gondring

*Ping...thought this might interest you


41 posted on 01/04/2005 8:19:22 PM PST by Former Dodger ("A liberal is a man who leaves the room when the fight starts." Heywood Broun)
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To: Stringfellow Hawke
If you have the DVD for "The Two Towers," check out scene 41. It has a "Palestinian orc" in it. This was pointed out to me by the author of Omdurman.org, my favorite anti-terrorism site. At the battle of Helm's Deep, when the Uruk-Hai fill a tunnel with barrels of the black powder Saruman just invented, an orc comes running with a torch, looking for all the world like an Olympic athlete. Legolas hits the orc twice with his trusty arrows, but still the momentum of the run carries him into the tunnel, where he blows himself up, and a big chunk of the fortress wall. In other words, it's a suicide bombing!


42 posted on 01/04/2005 8:19:49 PM PST by Berosus
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To: GatorGirl

Human frailty and imperfection. Frodo's will was strong, but he is not immune to weakness. He isn't the power of good itself, only a mere hobbit, thrown into a huge battle against evil. Gollum, really, was the same way, though he may have started with a lower standing.

The end, some think, represents a certain amount of divine providence.


43 posted on 01/04/2005 8:24:53 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You brought your own baggage in with you if you imagined any of that.

D*** baggage!

44 posted on 01/04/2005 8:32:36 PM PST by Angry Republican (Screw the Sun! Ehrlich in '06!)
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To: Angry Republican

~shrugs~ Sorry for you! Maybe get outside and clear your head a little.


45 posted on 01/04/2005 8:34:55 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: GVgirl
I knew there was a reason why I can't stand Tolkein freaks.

The guy who wrote that tripe is not a TOLKIEN freak, he's just a plain old FREAK!

46 posted on 01/04/2005 8:48:14 PM PST by SuziQ (It's the most wonderful time of the year!)
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To: Angry Republican; HairOfTheDog
Luckily, they didn't film the following part of the book...

From "Fog on the Barrow-Downs", The Fellowship of the Ring Chapter 8:

‘I thought that I was lost,' said Frodo; 'but I don't want to speak of it. Let us think of what we are to do now! Let us go on!'

'Dressed up like this, sir?' said Sam. 'Where are my clothes?' He flung his circlet, belt, and rings on the grass, and looked round helplessly, as if he expected to find his cloak, jacket, and breeches, and other hobbit-garments lying somewhere to hand.

'You won't find your clothes again,' said Tom, bounding down from the mound, and laughing as he danced round them in the sunlight. One would have thought that nothing dangerous or dreadful had happened; and indeed the horror faded out of their hearts as they looked at him, and saw the merry glint in his eyes.

'What do you mean?' asked Pippin, looking at him, half puzzled and half amused. 'Why not?'

But Tom shook his head, saying: 'You've found yourselves again, out of the deep water. Clothes are but little loss, if you escape from drowning. Be glad, my merry friends, and let the warm sunlight heal now heart and limb! Cast off these cold rags! Run naked on the grass, while Tom goes a-hunting!'

47 posted on 01/04/2005 8:49:21 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

I wouldn't have minded a few good lookin' hobbits runnin' naked on the grass ;~D


48 posted on 01/04/2005 8:51:38 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: LibertarianInExile
"Not true, he wrecked the trees, man! Saruman would be tossed in jail for years (or subject to a very stiff fine!)! "

In the story he was the bad guy. I believe LOTR was a story based on a conservative philosophy. No one can be sure because the guy is dead.

49 posted on 01/04/2005 8:54:03 PM PST by KoRn
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To: GatorGirl; Corin Stormhands
It is a function of free will. When the rings were forged, Sauron did not force anyone to take them, so they were all lured to the evil by their desire for power. They just got snookered by Sauron's forging of the One Ring to Rule them All.

Smeagol killed Deagol and took the One Ring that Deagol had found after Isildur had lost it many years before. He made the decision to do that, put on the ring and remove himself from the world. His evil was compounded by the Ring, and it was only when he was given glimplses of his old self that he had any doubts. In the end greedy Gollum won out.

Bilbo made the choice, though it was a painful one, to leave the Ring to Frodo. Bilbo knew it wasn't good for him to have it; he was beginning to want it WAY too much. He knew Frodo was a good person, and would probably be able to resist the lure of the Ring. Frodo did, for the most part, and it wasn't until right at the end, that he decided he didn't want to give it up. That decision was changed by the actions of another with true evil in mind. Frodo recovered from his bout with the Ring, but lost his desire to live in his old world. In the end, he, too, had to make a choice, and he chose to leave what he had always known because the circumstances of his life had changed him so much that the old ways were no longer peaceful and comfortable for him.

It was about free will, on the part of those who would use their talents for good or for evil.

50 posted on 01/04/2005 8:59:17 PM PST by SuziQ (It's the most wonderful time of the year!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Do I have to post the Bombadil pic...?
51 posted on 01/04/2005 8:59:57 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: brewer1516

LMAO That was hysterical. Quite an accurate praody, with all the half-a$$ed truths and spinning lies.


52 posted on 01/04/2005 9:00:48 PM PST by Angry Republican (Screw the Sun! Ehrlich in '06!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

LOL


53 posted on 01/04/2005 9:02:17 PM PST by Angry Republican (Screw the Sun! Ehrlich in '06!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Maybe get outside and clear your head a little.

I need to stop smoking like a chimney while freeping. :-)

54 posted on 01/04/2005 9:04:31 PM PST by Angry Republican (Screw the Sun! Ehrlich in '06!)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
If you like.... I love Tom Bombadil

I had an errand there: gathering water-lilies,
green leaves and lilies white to please my pretty lady,
the last ere the year’s end to keep them from the winter,
to flower by her pretty feet tilt the snows are melted.
Each year at summer’s end I go to find them for her,
in a wide pool, deep and clear, far down Withywindle;
there they open first in spring and there they linger latest.
By that pool long ago I found the River-daughter,
fair young Goldberry sitting in the rushes.
Sweet was her singing then, and her heart was beating!

55 posted on 01/04/2005 9:04:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Have a good night, River-daughter! ;)
56 posted on 01/04/2005 9:12:52 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

Have peace now, until the morning! Heed no nightly noises!


57 posted on 01/04/2005 9:14:18 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Angry Republican

And you also... sleep well! Open a window ;~D


58 posted on 01/04/2005 9:17:33 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: orionblamblam
  Eowyn: She *IS* the NRA!

Spot on!

59 posted on 01/04/2005 9:22:01 PM PST by Mike-o-Matic
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To: Berosus

And just think...if Gandalf hadn't gone riding around the countryside to find some riders (who come back and silhouette themselves on the ridge and warn the orcs to turn their pikes to the flanks to increase Rohan's casualties), he could have easily popped that suicide bomber and the wall would have held. Gandalf's irresponsibility is the reason for the fall of Helm's Deep!

Oh wait. That was the movie. Wonderfully modified from the books, where we miss the whole CONSERVATIVE part at the end, the Scouring of the Shire!

GRR...don't get me started. hehehe


60 posted on 01/04/2005 9:43:17 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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