Here we Go Again (With Corey Pein)...

Corey Pein Online ^ | 1/05/05 | Corey Pein

[Cyropaedia]

This idiot must be a glutton for punishment. He still believes the verdict regarding the Rather memos is "inconclusive"!! The idiot has no shame! And this guy works as an editor for the prestigious CJR....???

[frog_jerk_2004]

Again, I am not saying the memos were produced in 1973. I’m saying we don’t know, and that the fact that the Killian documents don’t resemble some other documents from the period seems a week reed to prove anything

All they have to do is seem like they do or suggest that they do, right? Or, "we don't know", that's good enough, right? I guess that's good enough for CBS.

[dead]

His entire premise is ass backwards.

It was never up to the bloggers or anybody else to prove that the CBS memo was a forgery.

It was up to CBS to prove that it was legitimate, which they couldn't do, for obvious reasons.

Well, obvious to everybody but an idiot, like Corey Pein.

[frog_jerk_2004]

Only after weeks of research and reporting did I reach my conclusion — not that the memos are real, but that there is no definitive evidence in the blogs or in the press that supports the conventional wisdom that they are forged. We simply don’t know from the incomplete evidence that’s before us

So after weeks of "objective" detective work this dolt couldn't come to a conclusion. The mere fact that CBS ran with the story without any detective work is part of the evidence they were fraudulent. Doesn't that count for something?

[Howlin]

Many critics of my article on the CBS memos, the blogs, and the press have obviously not read it. They see it as a "defense of fraudulent reporting" (per James Taranto’s headline in the "Best of the Web" column on OpinionJournal), which it certainly is not, or as CJR’s knee-jerk defense of the old media, which it is not.

Well, thanks for setting US straight, Corey!

[frog_jerk_2004]

his old Guard friends -- trafficked in equally dubious assertions about Kerry, and that wasn’t reported.

What were they? Were they the same things the Swift Boat Vets were saying that the Kerry campaign had to back track on?

[Howlin]

What on earth is a "week reed," Corey, you from the famous CJR?

[frog_jerk_2004]

Why didn't CBS interview Buck Staudt's wife or son about the memos?

[RichInOC]

Corey, those memos are completely phony. Period. If they were merely Microsoft Word reconstructions of Texas Air National Guard documents from the Sixties and Seventies, Burkett could have answered the forgery allegations by producing the actual documents. Actually, if he'd had genuine documents, he could have released those and completely avoided the accusations. He didn't do that, because he didn't have them, I would respectfully suggest because they never existed. As it is, you have to believe one of two things: Either the Burkett docs were forgeries, or somebody teleported a computer and printer back to that Guard base.

[Howlin]

never interviewed living witnesses to the story, and never questioned Burkett’s credibility, he is simply incorrect. I did all of the above and more.

No, he did not; if he had, he would have known that Kilian's son and his ex-wife both decried Killian's secretary's remarks as being FOS.

[MEG33]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/
scroll down to:
Journalism In Decline

Corey Pein of the Columbia Journalism Review sent us an email yesterday, with a link to his article in that magazine on the fake 60 Minutes documents. "You may be interested in this," he wrote. We were interested, all right, but we're sorry to report that the article is astonishingly bad.

[frog_jerk_2004]

Whatever they decide about the documents, I am confident in my piece.

More like, he is confident in his ignorance.

[kingu]

Has anyone yet provided a duplicate using machines of the time? No? Yet someone can easily provide a duplicate using machines of this time, using software that was readily available at the Kinkos it was faxed from.

Gee, what a difficult challenge this is. Oh, and we view all liberals who equate Bush to Hitler as being wacko, not just Burkett.

[Wheee The People]

Dimwit says you can't prove to him the earth is round.

[dirtboy]

It was never up to the bloggers or anybody else to prove that the CBS memo was a forgery. It was up to CBS to prove that it was legitimate, which they couldn't do, for obvious reasons.

Exactly. But, then again, what else do you expect the MSM to do? They simply cannot engage in business as usual under the withering scrutiny of the blogsphere and FR. So they instead move the goalposts of accountability - since we are scrutinizing them, we therefore must assume the burden of proof - which, in their mind, somehow liberates them to spew whatever nonsense they feel like spewing.

[Ditto]

" A correspondent writes that it is loony to compare Bush to Hitler as Burkett once did. Fair enough. But Burkett was tarred for saying something that other liberals do all the time, loony or not. And that was unfair. This doesn't mean I agree with Burkett or think he's devoid of blame in this affair. Some of the people who were defending Bush during Memogate -- his old Guard friends -- trafficked in equally dubious assertions about Kerry, and that wasn’t reported."

Bush's old Guard friends compared Kerry to Hitler? I must of missed that. All I heard them say was that Bush was a good pilot who did his duty. I don't recall them saying anything about John Kerry.

[dirtboy]

Some of the people who were defending Bush during Memogate -- his old Guard friends -- trafficked in equally dubious assertions about Kerry, and that wasn’t reported.

Ahhhh ... Corey says it is so, so it must be so.

[Sthitch]

...Mary Mapes put Bill Burkett in touch with Joe Lockhart. If that’s enough to constitute "apparent coordination," then what of the previously unreported meeting between Bush and his old Guard buddies in March? That’s in my article, but I haven’t seen the speculators run wild with it yet, as they did with the "Kerry connection."

Great logic here. A CBS employee puts a source in touch with a person from the DNC (Lockhart) = President talking to friends. If it were Fox that arranged for the President and his buddies to meet this would be analogous, otherwise this is just plain silly.

[Calvin Locke]

What on earth is a "week reed,"

I'd like to know, too.

[TankerKC]

The guy is a nut. I KNOW they are fake. Fonts and verbage aside, they are in a format that the Air Force DID NOT CREATE UNTIL 1992!