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(1998, Indonesia) Ethnic Chinese tell of mass rapes
BBC ^ | June 23, 1998

Posted on 01/05/2005 9:47:11 PM PST by miltonim

Ethnic Chinese tell of mass rapes

Reports are beginning to emerge that hundreds of women and girls of Chinese descent were raped during the riots that swept over Indonesia last month.

As more women and girls - previously too scared to speak - come forward, a disturbing pattern of systematic rape has been revealed.

According to witnesses, the rioters would attack houses, rape the younger women, burn the house, and then move on to the next house. Girls as young as 11 were targeted, and were often raped in front of their families by as many as 10 men.

Ethnic Chinese, who made up only about 3% of Indonesia's population, have traditionally been made into scapegoats. When the rioting broke out in May, many Chinese shops and houses were looted and burned to the ground, and tens of thousands of Chinese fled the country.

The truth comes out

The BBC Jakarta correspondent says that many of the ethnic Chinese are Christian, and it was at church that they first overcame their shame and spoke about what happened.

As one woman spoke out about her experiences, another stood up and told a similar story, prompting others to do the same.

A terrible realisation dawned on congregations in Jakarta and elsewhere: the Chinese women had become victims of what looked like a campaign of mass rape.

Crisis groups have been set up to help the women, but there are still many unanswered questions, and there has been little official recognition of what happened.

The extent of the violence

It is still not known how many women and girls were raped. Many have already fled from Indonesia, and others are still too traumatised to report it and fear further retaliation.

An ethnic Chinese hotel manager, Lim Sian Tie, said many women tried to hide.

"The trauma is so unbearable, they don't want to see anybody. That is quite understandable. If they are known to have been gang raped they would prefer to commit suicide."

Our correspondent says that many of those who could not flee are still in hospital, their minds scarred and their bodies often horribly mutilated.

A doctor at the hospital said that she knew of at least 400 cases of rape. In one incident 68 Chinese women and girls were raped by groups of as many as 10 men who systematically worked through the floors of an apartment block in a middle-class, residential district.

Unanswered questions

Frequently the women were raped in front of their families and neighbours. One man described how he helped a mother and three daughters escape the country.

"On May 14 my friend's three daughters were put on the back of a truck by a group of men. They were repeatedly raped from four in the afternoon until three in the morning. The youngest was 14."

Our correspondent says the unanswered question haunting the Chinese community, still numb with fear, is who did this?

A number of victims have said that the men who raped them had crew cuts and tattoos and that they seemed to be drugged, or drunk. In the rumour mill of Jakarta, some have pointed to the same renegade units in the army which allegedly encouraged the rioters and looters.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chinese; christians; islam; muslims

1 posted on 01/05/2005 9:47:11 PM PST by miltonim
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To: miltonim

OK you guys:

Quick question - what piece of data is conveniently omitted from the article (in the name of PC)?


2 posted on 01/05/2005 9:50:42 PM PST by BobL
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To: miltonim
The BBC Jakarta correspondent says that many of the ethnic Chinese are Christian, and it was at church that they first overcame their shame and spoke about what happened.

Anyone want to bet on what the religion of the rapists is?

3 posted on 01/05/2005 9:51:54 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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Muhammad's Koran-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...
4 posted on 01/05/2005 9:51:58 PM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: miltonim

And all those Indonesian children who lost their parents to the tsunami are responsible for these rapes that happened 7 years ago. Yep.


5 posted on 01/05/2005 9:52:52 PM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Howdy Paleo - I've had enough of toll roads for tonight, and I beat you to the punch line.


6 posted on 01/05/2005 9:53:01 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

"... and I beat you to the punch line."

Meant to say "... and I beat you to the punch line on this thread."


7 posted on 01/05/2005 9:54:32 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Geeze let me think!! Would it be Muslims, Islamic Fundamentalists??


8 posted on 01/05/2005 9:55:20 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: BobL
>> Quick question - what piece of data is conveniently omitted from the article (in the name of PC)?

Bill Clinton did it?

9 posted on 01/05/2005 9:56:30 PM PST by T'wit (Not knowing right from wrong is [a] liberal philosophy and [b] the definition of criminal insanity.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

"Would it be Muslims, Islamic Fundamentalists??"

RACIST!, that's what you are. Did you ever consider that maybe these crimes were caused by others in Indonesia, like the....ehhh....and the ehhhhh....oh yea, the...ahhhhh.

Son of a gun, you're right. Sorry for my rude comment about you.


10 posted on 01/05/2005 9:58:01 PM PST by BobL
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To: T'wit

"Bill Clinton did it?"

Don't give him any ideas, the Chinese over there have been through enough!!


11 posted on 01/05/2005 9:59:04 PM PST by BobL
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To: miltonim

I repeat again: The threat to Western Civilization is not from Islamic Fundamentalism; It is from ISLAM!

Anyone delusional enough to believe the tripe about Islam being a peaceful civilization deserves his just deserts!


12 posted on 01/05/2005 10:00:06 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: 26lemoncharlie

why does it always have to be the fundies? Your ordinary, run of the mill guy down at the mosque believes such behavior is both acceptable and necessary.


13 posted on 01/05/2005 10:02:14 PM PST by muawiyah ((just making sure we dot the i's, cross the t's, and leave enough room for the ZIP Code)
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To: dk/coro; BobL; miltonim
Anyone delusional enough to believe the tripe about Islam being a peaceful civilization deserves his just deserts!

It is neither peaceful nor civilized.

14 posted on 01/05/2005 10:03:10 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: dk/coro
"I repeat again: The threat to Western Civilization is not from Islamic Fundamentalism; It is from ISLAM!"

My basic point on this is that the others (the ones that we're told are peaceful) are guilty through association.

If I (and I'm sure you) joined a new organization that, say, opposed Affirmative Action, but at their meetings they started talking about cross-burnings and lynching blacks, I think that both of us would immediately leave, and probably call the FBI.

These 'peaceful' Muslims continue to apologize for their 'religion'. They should have all left that religion by now, but they won't. They are as much of the problem as the beheaders.
15 posted on 01/05/2005 10:05:05 PM PST by BobL
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To: miltonim

If it was legal for Indonesian citizens to own a gun this wouldn't happen.


16 posted on 01/05/2005 10:06:50 PM PST by dumpdaschle (Demand that French imperialists leave the Ivory Coast.)
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To: BobL

Hey I'm an AMERICAN!! Does that make me a RACIST!?
after all We target ILLEGAL ALIENS !! for deportation. We should Deport the Liberal Progressives too, they don't like it here amongest us Americans!!


17 posted on 01/05/2005 10:22:34 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: BobL

No problem, I'm locked and loaded tonight!!


18 posted on 01/05/2005 10:23:58 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: miltonim

So does this explain Bill Clintons eagerness to go to Indonesia with lots of aid money?


19 posted on 01/05/2005 11:50:52 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: 26lemoncharlie

"Hey I'm an AMERICAN!! Does that make me a RACIST!?"

I'm American too. And by definition, unless we have a clear association with the Democratic Party and attack minority conservatives - we are RACISTS - as far as the Libs are concerned.

How not to be a racist:

1) Oppose all Black and Hispanics aspiring to obtain positions of power as Republicans

2) Do whatever is necessary to keep minorities locked into deplorable schools.

3) Do whatever is necessary to assure Hispanics NEVER learn English. (i.e., bilingual education)

Do you support these positions? Well? Well? I think not. Neither do I. Therefore, using the Dem and MSM definition, we are both RACISTS.

Now have a nice day.


20 posted on 01/06/2005 4:51:01 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
There is a lot more to this than Islam. The ethnic Chinese in Indonesia controlled much of the commerce after the Dutch left. When Indonesia became independent, there was much antipathy between the indigenous Indonesians and the ethnic Chinese.

Most people of Chinese descent changed their names to Indonesian sounding names. There is still much emnity between the two groups.

My husband interviewed for a job in Indonesia back in 96. The owners of the company were ethnic Chinese. As they were driving in from the airport, they saw a body beside the road with police looking at it. My husband said, "My gosh, what happened."

The Chinese guy said "Don't worry. It's just one of the locals."

This was said even though a non-Chinese Indonesian was driving the car.

At any rate, lots of bad stuff in that part of the world, and it is not only Islam but the Chinese and the almost-communist economy they had for so many years.

21 posted on 01/06/2005 5:03:35 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

...I'm sure there's more sides to the story, but there are ways to deal with minorities that do well economy, other than following the Hitler model. I'll always have a big problem with a group that's a 90%+ minority convinced that it has to take the actions mentioned in this article against its minority.

I work next to Coptic Christian who emigrated from Egypt. You should his stories...


22 posted on 01/06/2005 5:09:22 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Oh, not disagreeing really. It is just that I wanted to add to the background. Third world countries are often filled with ethnic hatred, and Islamic fundamentalism is astute at exploiting it.


23 posted on 01/06/2005 5:12:47 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Agreed. One last comment. China can't do much today to protect Indonesia's ethnic Chinese, but China can take notes, and will be able to act fairly soon.

The Muslims in Indonesia may want to consider this next time.


24 posted on 01/06/2005 4:09:41 PM PST by BobL
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