Posted on 01/07/2005 9:46:41 PM PST by MissouriConservative
Considering that you're basing your entire argument on emotions, who cares what you think about me? The problem is not with the health of the boy, but with the legality of how his father brought him here.
You need to understand that emotions do not play a part of this and your screaming about how "cold hearted" I am, or that I am a horrible person just goes to show the lack of depth of your argument. Logic trumps emotions every day of the week. With your emotions flinging around like a top, you'd let every immigrant with a runny nose cross our borders illegally and have US taxpayers pick up the tab.
We are a big enough welfare state with our own people, we cannot afford to be the welfare state of the world as well.
I'll tell you what, invite this man and his family to come live off of you. Invite them into your home and pay for their food, clothes, medical, etc. Once you've hit bankruptcy you will then come over to the logical side of the argument.
And what does my argument say about me? It says that I am an American that wishes his country the best. I am a person that realizes that America was founded by immigrants and pushed into greatness by those immigrants. What I also realize is that those immigrants came to this country legally, not for charity or handouts or free medical care that their own country failed to provide. It was founded by immigrants that knew the rule of law and how to apply it. Your way would bankrupt this country in a matter of a decade.
Grrrr. Just damn. When you're involved charitably in the transplant fundraising and services community, as we are, and you realize the needs out there for regular Americans, and you see cases like that, it just makes your blood boil.
I can imagine. I read about so many waiting for transplants.
"US law requires hospitals to treat patients with life-threatening illnesses regardless of immigration status... "
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If this statement really is true, then why is it that I always see those donation cups at checkout lines for someone who is in desperate need of a transplant and can't afford it? (For whatever reason...uninsured, "experimental procedure", what have you)
All of the ones I have seen were for American citizens.
No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.
They will eventually choke off this entire country with their neo-republican compassion.
It's ironic how I hear almost daily about American's fighting just to get the health care they PAY FOR, yet these people can criminally enter this country, come here without a dime and receive operations that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"All of the ones I have seen were for American citizens."
That's the difference. If you are an American citizen who has worked his whole life and find yourself in a medical nightmare, you are first required to lose everything to be eligible for medicaid. If you own a home the state will lein it. Which in the end makes you a ward of the state that will be required to then house you. Economically the entire system is in shambles.
Understood. So what's all this mumbo-jumbo about regardless of immigration status? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, imo.
If legal resident or citizen has to bankrupt themselves to "afford" a life-saving transplant (ain't THAT some crap) then by golly, they shouldn't be giving them free to someone who came here illegally.
FWIW, I think it's wonderful that this boy survived, but it is due to his parent's desperate duplicity. Perhaps they should have placed donation cups around their city in Mexico, or complained to their government. Or are Mexican citizens so stingy they won't help out a desperately ill boy? The doctors here often donate their time and skills, and I'm sure there is one in Mexico that would be willing to do the same. Arrangements made with the hospital, even.
" Or are Mexican citizens so stingy they won't help out a desperately ill boy? "
I can't speak for Mexican "citizens", but as a society, yes they are too cheap, that is why they are sending their poor, ill, criminals to us. Mexico has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia and more millionaires. Yet, they sent $100,000 to the Tsunami victims, the lowest contribution by a nation state.
Be sure to see this:
Going Underground - Barron's
The shadow economy is about to top $1 trillion -- at a great cost to many
By JIM MCTAGUE
AMERICA HAS TWO ECONOMIES, and one is flourishing at the expense of the
other. First, there's the legitimate economy, in which craftsmen are
licensed and employers and employees pay taxes. Then there's the
fast-growing underground economy, where millions of nannies, construction
workers and others are paid off-the-books, their incomes largely untaxed.
The best guess as to the size of the output of this shadow economy is about
$970 billion, or nearly 9% that of the real economy. It should soon pass $1
trillion.
What is largely fueling the underground economy, experts say, is the
nation's swelling ranks of low-wage illegal immigrants. -snip-very long.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.romanian/browse_thread/thread/1bb41897c2797fca/a037432e6e83160d?q=%22The+Underground+Labor+Force+Is+Rising+to+the+Surface%22&_done=/groups?q=%22The+Underground+Labor+Force+Is+Rising+to+the+Surface%22%252
Thanks for the info.
This whole situation is a disgrace. IMO, if a country's citizens are so desperate for help they would immigrate illegally to get it, then the country needs to step up and stop shoving their societal ills off on us.
Just imagine being a law abiding vet or some other law abiding citizen in great need of a transplant, sitting here reading this.
No kidding.
My dad is a viet nam vet. In LA recently he was in an auto accident, and they took him to the county hospital. He lay there a week with an untreated busted up leg, wasn't even allowed to make a phone call. We nearly didn't find him, no one knew where he was. Barely anyone in the hospital could speak English.
Just wow. From every account, L.A. proper is pretty much a 3rd World country.
Aren't you that illegal immigration cheerleader? Then it's no wonder that you're taking the side that you're taking on this issue. Aren't there surgeons and hospitals in the family's home country of Mexico? Why didn't the boy's family take their son there for his transplant? Probably because they knew that if they had the surgery here in the United States, they could rip off the American taxpayer for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I hate to break the news here but.....
228,000 illegal aliens resided in Georgia as of 2000, according to INS figures.
In Georgia the number of illegal aliens has increased 613 percent since 1996 and 777 percent since 1992, giving Georgia the seventh largest illegal immigrant population in the country.
About 541,000 people in Georgia are immigrants or the children of immigrants, about seven percent of the state's population.
Immigration-driven population growth is taking its toll on Georgia, the sixth fastest growing state in the U.S. In the last ten years, over 1.7 million new residents settled in Georgia. Almost one-quarter of these new residents were immigrants.
Even that is not enough. I did lose everything, and then had a heart attack and Quad Bypass Surgery. Rang up $135,000 in Medical Bills. Applied for Medicaid, and was told "Because I had Emergency Bypass Surgery to save my life, I was disqualified for assistance in paying for that surgery due to not being "disabled enough" for assistance." I am forced into filing bankruptcy even tho I paid into the system for over 30 years.
The difference is I am a Caucasian male who was born in this Country.
Your story has been repeated many thousands of times by law abiding Americans. I find this disgraceful and brutally outrageous.
It's beyond ironic, it's an absolute criminal disgrace. If it doesn't stop, there will be unimaginable trouble down the road.
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