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Nuclear Submarine Runs Aground South of Guam
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 8, 2005 | The Associated Press

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:19:47 AM PST by Jet Jaguar

HONOLULU (AP) - A nuclear submarine ran aground about 350 miles south of Guam, injuring several sailors, one of them critically, the Navy said.

There were no reports of damage to the USS San Francisco's reactor plant, which was operating normally, the Navy said.

Jon Yoshishige, a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor, said the Friday afternoon incident is under investigation and the 360-foot submarine was headed back to its home port in Guam.

Details on the sailors' injuries were not immediately available. The sub has a crew of 137, officials said.

Military and Coast Guard aircraft from Guam were en route to monitor the submarine and assist if needed, the Navy said.

Guam is a U.S. territory about 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

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On the Net:

U.S. Pacific Fleet: http://www.cpf.navy.mil

AP-ES-01-08-05 0343EST


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: guam; shipwreck; silentservice; ssn711; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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1 posted on 01/08/2005 3:19:47 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Someone just lost their job.

I hope those sailors are all right.


2 posted on 01/08/2005 3:22:51 AM PST by IGOTMINE (Say a prayer for the common foot soldier...)
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To: Jet Jaguar

SSN 711


3 posted on 01/08/2005 3:23:17 AM PST by borntobeagle
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To: Jet Jaguar

I'll be checking back to see if someone knowledgeable will explain how this might have happened. Bad navigation? Unexpected sandbar? And how does a submarine free itself - can you just put it in reverse?


4 posted on 01/08/2005 3:23:42 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: MoJo2001; tomkow6

ping


5 posted on 01/08/2005 3:26:10 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: borntobeagle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/ssn-711.htm

Thanks.


6 posted on 01/08/2005 3:29:25 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: IGOTMINE

"Someone just lost their job."

My first thought...


7 posted on 01/08/2005 3:31:21 AM PST by dakine
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To: Larry Lucido
how does a submarine free itself - can you just put it in reverse?

The short answer is yes. The long answer is a lot depends on tides and currents and the structural integrity of the boat. I am sure so ex-dolphins will be by shortly to give you a much better explanation.

8 posted on 01/08/2005 3:33:52 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: IGOTMINE
Someone just lost their job.

Ususally.

If I recall correctly, the Captain of the HOUSTON was allowed to run aground twice in the late eighties before a forced retirement.

The man was a running joke at San Diego.

9 posted on 01/08/2005 3:37:29 AM PST by woofer
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To: woofer
but the sea floor may have just change after the earthquake and tsunami

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10 posted on 01/08/2005 3:40:16 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
sea floor may have just change after the earthquake

The sub still has sonar, changed seafloor or no.

11 posted on 01/08/2005 3:42:42 AM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Elle Bee

Wrong ocean.


12 posted on 01/08/2005 3:42:50 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

God bless these guys - and prayers for their full recovery.


13 posted on 01/08/2005 3:44:58 AM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: dandelion

ditto


14 posted on 01/08/2005 3:47:15 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Elle Bee
but the sea floor may have just change after the earthquake and tsunami

So....you're gonna defend the Captain? This is usually a pretty big no-no for a ship's commander, a career-ender.

One of the times the HOUSTON ran aground was in San Diego Harbor. I found out about it when the Captain's picture made the cover of "Proceedings" and a former crewmwmber of the SALT LAKE CITY was laughing about it.

15 posted on 01/08/2005 3:48:44 AM PST by woofer
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To: Paleo Conservative
take another look at the epicenter of the quake

nature doesn't necessarily color between the lines drawn by man

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16 posted on 01/08/2005 3:49:51 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Straight Vermonter

I imagined rocking it back and forth like you do a car stuck in the snow. I imagine the gearshift lever is a little different, though.


17 posted on 01/08/2005 3:50:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: woofer
And it took a bit of doing to free the Houston:

USS SAM HOUSTON runs aground in Carr Inlet of the southeast tip of Fox Island in the Puget Sound while operating in shallow water to determine how quiet the vessel is in water. The submarine is freed the next day by four tugs and the USS FLORIKAN (ASR 9) while the submarine's crew remains aboard. The SAM HOUSTON suffers minor damage to exterior hull equipment. Source

18 posted on 01/08/2005 3:51:27 AM PST by Quilla
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To: woofer
So....you're gonna defend the Captain? This is usually a pretty big no-no for a ship's commander, a career-ender.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

.

19 posted on 01/08/2005 3:52:09 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: ThanhPhero
The sub still has sonar

A submarine, while trying to remain hidden or following another submarine, will NOT use active sonar.

20 posted on 01/08/2005 3:52:34 AM PST by reg45
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To: ThanhPhero

Sounds like SINS(Ships Inertial Navigation System) was in error......Bottom sounding sonar should have been manned or at least put on auto and set to alarm....some splainin' to do by the navigator and chief quartermaster.


21 posted on 01/08/2005 3:52:42 AM PST by chasio649
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To: reg45

yes it will...for bottom sounding.


22 posted on 01/08/2005 3:54:08 AM PST by chasio649
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hmm, Chinese subs have been prowling around Guam.


23 posted on 01/08/2005 3:55:55 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: Jet Jaguar
Tough day for submariners.

Hiking Submariner Survives 300 Foot Fall

24 posted on 01/08/2005 4:02:37 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Elle Bee

"I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt"

He has the lives of 100+ people in his hands. He deserves no "benefit of the doubt".


25 posted on 01/08/2005 4:05:01 AM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

darn sandbars are getting as bad as deer crossing the roads


26 posted on 01/08/2005 4:11:42 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: woofer

Were there women aboard?


27 posted on 01/08/2005 4:17:37 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: woofer
the Captain of the HOUSTON

Is that the USS Sam Houston? Recall his name by any chance?

28 posted on 01/08/2005 4:23:56 AM PST by angkor
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To: Elle Bee

I'm on your side. Their mission was to go into shallow water. That's a tricky business. This guy could be a dynamite captain, and who knows the circumstances? I'm sure they don't release the technical details to FR first.


29 posted on 01/08/2005 4:24:06 AM PST by mudblood
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To: Larry Lucido

Wow! I'd hate to be the one that has to get out and put a piece of wood under the tire.


30 posted on 01/08/2005 4:26:10 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Lokibob

"He deserves no "benefit of the doubt"."

Sure he does. What if he had a stroke? What if there was a major malfunction, or sabotage? What if this is a cover up for something clandestine? What if? Hey, I'm all for being a conservative, pull-yourself-up by the bootstrap sort of person, but that doesn't mean we have to act like A-holes too.


31 posted on 01/08/2005 4:26:38 AM PST by mudblood
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To: Jet Jaguar; bmwcyle

Not good. The Navy can't afford to have this happen as DoD has just decided to cut three new attack subs from the budget to support ongoing operations of the WOT.


32 posted on 01/08/2005 4:27:03 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush your enemies; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women - Conan)
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To: woofer

The CO of the "A" school I went to was the skipper of a ship when it ran aground. His nickname was "Captain Crunch".


33 posted on 01/08/2005 4:28:24 AM PST by flair2000
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To: Elle Bee
So....you're gonna defend the Captain? This is usually a pretty big no-no for a ship's commander, a career-ender. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

Give him all the benefit you want...The Navy won't. I believe that there have been 10 skippers fired within the past year for either collisions or grounds. This CO is most likely toast. .
34 posted on 01/08/2005 4:28:35 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL I can see sailors running back and further to get the sub rocking....


35 posted on 01/08/2005 4:29:13 AM PST by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Dog Gone; Chapita; Travis McGee
When my "bubblehead" partner shows up at the office, I will make inquires.
36 posted on 01/08/2005 4:30:08 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Larry Lucido

I'm a submarine veteran.

There aren't enough facts in the article to make a hypothesis. Have to wait for more to come out.

Were they submerged when they ran aground? Or on the surface? 350 miles from Guam tells me they were most likely submerged, but there is no way of knowing. A submerged collision with the sea floor is a serious thing, especially if they were going at high speed.

I dont think this is the result of hitting a sand bar. Too many injuries and too much damage.








37 posted on 01/08/2005 4:31:15 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: judicial meanz
There aren't enough facts in the article to make a hypothesis. Have to wait for more to come out.

Yes. This article is all too brief, and has mighty little content even for its brevity. We will just have to exercise patience and wait for more on this.

38 posted on 01/08/2005 4:37:17 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: mudblood
but that doesn't mean we have to act like A-holes too.

Some of us are not acting.

39 posted on 01/08/2005 4:39:17 AM PST by ASA Vet (I'd tell you what it is I hate about senility, if I could just remember what it is.)
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To: razorback-bert
When my "bubblehead" partner shows up at the office, I will make inquires.
When my "bubblehead" wakes up I'll ask him.
40 posted on 01/08/2005 4:42:00 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: mudblood
You're no Navy man.

You run aground, you're fired.

Period.

I saw it happen often in Vietnam with LST's.

41 posted on 01/08/2005 4:43:13 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: mudblood

In civilian life the boss makes a mistake, it costs money, in the military, the boss (CO) makes a mistake, you pay for it with lives.

STROKE-- The capt doesn't drive. sorry.
MALFUNCTION-- The Capt should have known.
SABOTAGE--Nuke submariners are perhaps the most vetted people in the world. Sorry, this isn't a shoe bomber.
CLANDESTINE--We don't order our subs to "clandestingly strike the bottom".

It don't wash. With one sailor critical, the Capt screwed the pooch on this one.


42 posted on 01/08/2005 4:46:02 AM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Larry Lucido
And how does a submarine free itself - can you just put it in reverse?

As has been mentioned... "that depends" on what "run aground" means. But in general, if the ship isn't damaged they have lots of options. Remember that running aground in a surface ship is tough because you aren't afloat any longer. Getting off involves a lucky tide, and/or an application of power (that may or may not work). A submarine has an additional option caused by the fact that it isn't left high and dry. It can always just increase it's buoyancy and surface (again presuming a lack of crippling damage). It would really take an interesting collision to "trap" the sub in three dimensions.

Surface ships don't have an "up" option when run aground.

43 posted on 01/08/2005 4:46:20 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: battlegearboat

"You run aground, you're fired. Period"

Apparently some guy ran aground twice before he was fired.
This captain might get fired. I'll even go so far as to say he probably will. But lets wait for the judge show up before we shoot him.


44 posted on 01/08/2005 4:47:18 AM PST by mudblood
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To: Larry Lucido

I suspect this is a bottom collision, because the article says the boat was underway on its own power and heading into port with damage, and it was 350 miles from port and thats a long way to do a surface transit.

Lots of reasons a boat can strike something submerged. It may be a submerged object that is floating on the currents, or they may have struck the ocean floor in a shallow area.

Depending on the speed, the sonar may or may not be useful.


45 posted on 01/08/2005 4:48:31 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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To: antivenom
to get the sub rocking....

If this sub's a-rocking, don't . . .

Ah, never mind.

46 posted on 01/08/2005 4:48:39 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: reg45

I was thinking that myself - active sonar is a death request. Or perhaps, has technology changed that much since my history reading?


47 posted on 01/08/2005 4:50:44 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: IMRight

Makes sense. Thanks.


48 posted on 01/08/2005 4:52:47 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
to get the sub rocking.... If this sub's a-rocking, don't . . . Ah, never mind.

Husband always says: It ain't gay if its underway
49 posted on 01/08/2005 4:53:08 AM PST by submarinerswife
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To: antivenom

Believe it or not, that is one way of changing the trim on a submarine.

Transferring people back and forth works.


50 posted on 01/08/2005 4:54:00 AM PST by judicial meanz (Co-Founder of http://projectexodus.com--> A Christian Human Rights Ministry to address Anti-Semitism)
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