CARDINAL SAYS BUSH BROKE IRAQ PROMISE

YAHOOO VIA AP ^ | 1/10/05

[sanjacjake]

Bush ought to challenge him to a duel....aka..
Zell Miller....get off my back..you rednecks..Jake

[kms61]

I think one can make a case for that being true for WWI. I don't think it's justified at all for WWII.

[kms61]

The Longs were anything but Dixiecrats. Both factions had populist elements, but they were poles apart otherwise.

[kms61]

That was true initially, until the occupied populations in the East found out exactly what Nazi rule entailed. I think it was Solzhenitsyn who said if the Germans had come as liberators instead of conquerors, they would have been met with flowers. But ruthless conquest the ideological linchpin of the whole Nazi invasion in the first place.

[Alberta's Child]

Here's a clarification . . . The quote about Vietnam was actually from Cardinal Sodano, Vatican Secretary of State. I mistakenly attributed it to Pio Laghi because I had remembered it from an article about an interview he had given in late 2003.

"We spoke a long time about the consequences of a war. I asked: ‘Do you realize what you’ll unleash inside Iraq by occupying it?’ The disorder, the conflicts between Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds everything that has in fact happened," the cardinal said. Bush insisted that democracy would be the main result.

[Alberta's Child]

I think it applies to World War II simply because World War II was an inevitable result of the aftermath of World War I.

[Romulus]

There is nothing wrong with naked self-interest.

Glad to have that on the record. I didn't think I was talking to a real conservative.

Sic deinde quiscumque alius transiliet moenia mea

Charming use of the Latin allusion (you even got the spelling almost right), but you overlook the fact that it's we who jumped over their wall.

[Romulus]

The Longs were anything but Dixiecrats.

"Forget it, he's on a roll."

[Bigg Red]

With all due respect, Excellency, shut up!

[ZULU]

"Charming use of the Latin allusion (you even got the spelling almost right), but you overlook the fact that it's we who jumped over their wall."

Did you have to run off to your Latin reference text to check it out. Where is the error?

And we jumped their wall for good reason.

And no one EVER accused ME of being a liberal.

[Alberta's Child]

That's where I would part company with this administration. Not that President Bush is wrong on principle, mind you -- but that he's trying to lend legitimacy to an international organization that has no legitimacy in my mind. He cannot have it both ways . . . he cannot lay out his vision for a body like the U.N. that has no legal standing in the U.S., and then either use it or ignore it as his own discretion.

This is where the whole argument for war in Iraq falls down. If Iraq had truly represented a direct threat to the U.S., then this administration was grossly irresponsible in allowing any delay that resulted from the whole U.N. charage in late 2002.

[Romulus]

And we jumped their wall for good reason.

Because we got whacked on 9/11 and somebody was going to have to pay. And because some foreign policy players saw how to channel this pissed-off-ness in ways that suited their notions of how the world should be rearranged.

As someone who specialises in naked self-interest you ought to be ashamed how little you have to show for this righteous ass-kicking we've been giving. Hoo-ya

[VOYAGER]

During the election campaign of 2004, this administration never hesitated to seek the help of these "bozos" when it served its own ambitions.

Thank you for your measured response.

[F.J. Mitchell]

"But, as we all know, it is still BUSH'S FAULT."

LOL! Always, regardless of what one's religion, or lack there of may or may not be.

[cicero's_son]

Dangerous character, this Pio Laghi. He was the inspiration for one of the main characters in Malachi Martin's novel Windswept House.

[cicero's_son]

Being fully aware of widespread hostility and ignorance regarding the catholic church, the MSM invents a wedge, and the barking-seal right responds on cue.

Bumps.