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CARDINAL SAYS BUSH BROKE IRAQ PROMISE
YAHOOO VIA AP ^ | 1/10/05

Posted on 01/10/2005 7:29:30 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: Alberta's Child
"You were the one who claimed that it was the UN, not the United States, that was engaged in "military action" against Iraq in the 1990s."

My claim was that we patrolled the no fly zone due to the UN resolutions which called for said patrols. My claim was also that it was because of UN resolutions that economic sanctions were set against Iraq. (After all, those were the two items YOU mentioned.)

Nice attempt at deflecting attention to your error. Too bad it failed.

201 posted on 01/11/2005 6:01:53 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
That's exactly the kind of circular logic that made the first Persian Gulf war such a farce. The U.S. actively sought to get those U.N. Security Council resolutions in the first place, then used these resolutons as the justification for the war itself and the subsequent sanctions against Iraq.

Anyone who doesn't recognize that the entire situation in Iraq has been a conflict between the United States and Iraq is delusional.

This, BTW, is why the role of the United Nations has been utterly inconsequential from my perspective. The UN involvement did not lend any credibility or justification to the U.S. effort in 1990, nor did the lack of UN involvement detract from the U.S. effort in 2003. For principled conservatives, the U.S. effort should always stand up or fall down on its own merits regardless of what the "international community" thinks about it.

202 posted on 01/11/2005 6:39:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Max Combined
That quote has appeared in a number of sources. Here's a link to one article:

Click Here

203 posted on 01/11/2005 6:47:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: areafiftyone

Let's make a list of the promises and covenants the Vatican has broken with me.


204 posted on 01/11/2005 6:50:31 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Alberta's Child; ZULU
Post #192 Alberta's Child:
One question I've always asked myself is this: If there was an Iraqi connection to Oklahoma City (as Jayne Davis and David Schippers have alleged), then why the hell has this administration refused to openly acknowledge it?

Post #200 Alberta's Child:
If there was an Iraqi connection to Oklahoma City, then it would be far more devastating to the GOP than to the Clinton administration for that connection to be revealed.

Are you in the habit of asking yourself questions that you already have an answer to? Or are you dissatisified with your answer but thought it might win your point anyway?

205 posted on 01/11/2005 8:35:50 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Chi-townChief
However, the Cardinal may have invented this quote: "... he (Bush) told me: `Don't worry, your eminence. We'll be quick and do well in Iraq.'"

It sounds invented. In any case we have done well and it has been quick.

206 posted on 01/11/2005 8:53:26 AM PST by TigersEye (Muslims and Democrats kill babies for fun and profit.)
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To: TigersEye

What I posted in #200 was an answer to the recurring question (see #192) that came up in my mind about this topic.


207 posted on 01/11/2005 9:15:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: TigersEye
It sounds invented.

It doesn't sound invented at all, when you consider the context in which it was made back in early 2003.

The civilian leadership in the Defense Department at the time included people like Richard Perle, who had spent the previous 18 months making comments in various media outlets that included such idiotic predictions that the U.S. could defeat Iraq with no (yes, that's zero) troops. So it would not surprise me if this quote was, in fact, accurate.

208 posted on 01/11/2005 9:19:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Hmmm. Very interesting!!!

Mutual self-interests coalesced to deceive the American public.


209 posted on 01/11/2005 9:35:15 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"That's exactly the kind of circular logic that made the first Persian Gulf war such a farce."

Yes, your logic was rather circular. I responded to your points, then for some reason, you jumped to an issue that had not been discussed. Ah, well.

"The U.S. actively sought to get those U.N. Security Council resolutions in the first place"

We weren't the only ones who wanted them.

"then used these resolutons as the justification for the war itself and the subsequent sanctions against Iraq."

Presuming you are talking about the first Gulf War, many of the UN resolutions came as a result of that war. Again, we were not the only nation that pressed for the resolutions and subsequent sanctions.

"Anyone who doesn't recognize that the entire situation in Iraq has been a conflict between the United States and Iraq is delusional."

I imagine Kuwait might have a different opinion.

" This, BTW, is why the role of the United Nations has been utterly inconsequential from my perspective."

Oh, I have no problem with getting rid of the UN. But that won't change the past.

210 posted on 01/11/2005 2:18:07 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm glad you finally thought of an answer to your recurring question.
211 posted on 01/12/2005 8:42:48 AM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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