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Four CBS Employees Ousted for 'Memogate'
FOX News ^ | January 10, 2005

Posted on 01/10/2005 7:45:09 AM PST by Kaslin

NEW YORK — Four CBS News employees, including three executives, have been let go for their role in preparing and reporting the controversial "60 Minutes" story about President Bush’s National Guard service before last year’s elections, according to CBS.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; ccrm; fired; mapes; maryculpa; planetofthemapes; rathergate; ratherreport; seebsnews
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1 posted on 01/10/2005 7:45:10 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hahahaha.


2 posted on 01/10/2005 7:45:47 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Kaslin

We the American people should file a class action lawsuit against seeBS for damages.


3 posted on 01/10/2005 7:48:11 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Kaslin

"Asked to resign were Senior Vice President Betsy West, who supervised CBS News primetime programs; "60 Minutes Wednesday" Executive Producer Josh Howard; Howard's deputy, Senior Broadcast Producer Mary Murphy. The producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, was terminated.

In its report, the panel concluded that the network news organization failed to follow basic journalistic principles in preparing, reporting and following the story."


4 posted on 01/10/2005 7:48:26 AM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: Kaslin
buh bye

buh bye

buh bye


5 posted on 01/10/2005 7:49:19 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: RippleFire

Asked to resign?


6 posted on 01/10/2005 7:49:22 AM PST by Preachin' (Democrats know that they can never run on their real agenda.)
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To: Revelation 911

Nice.


7 posted on 01/10/2005 7:51:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: No cliches!)
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To: Kaslin

"Nobody was driving, Officer! We were all in the back seat singing!"


8 posted on 01/10/2005 7:51:15 AM PST by lawdude (Leftists see what they believe. Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Kaslin

well Rather, who was so hot to trot on this story and to this day, says its true except for the fake memos, didnt even get touched AND will still be doing news even after he retires....pU


9 posted on 01/10/2005 7:51:19 AM PST by SuthrnGirl ("... with you my brown eyed girl...")
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To: Kaslin
Not enough.
10 posted on 01/10/2005 7:51:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: Kaslin

Good reading here. The long-awaited "report" of CBS's stupidity:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/cbs_report.pdf


11 posted on 01/10/2005 7:52:01 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: RippleFire

Bye, Mary.


12 posted on 01/10/2005 7:52:24 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Revelation 911

Oooooh - Pajama Patrol badge is nice. That would make a nice tshirt/ bumpersticker, no??


13 posted on 01/10/2005 7:52:56 AM PST by bboop
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To: Kaslin

14 posted on 01/10/2005 7:53:20 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
The Panel has not been able to conclude with absolute certainty whether the Killian documents are authentic or forgeries. However, the Panel has identified a number of issues that raise serious questions about the authenticity of the documents and their content.

What more do they NEED?

15 posted on 01/10/2005 7:53:34 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
These problems were caused primarily by a myopic zeal to be the first news organization to broadcast what was believed to be a new story about President Bush’s TexANG service, and the rigid and blind defense of the Segment after it aired despite numerous indications of its shortcomings.

Talk is cheap, especially AFTER the election.

16 posted on 01/10/2005 7:54:50 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Me thinks some very bitter employees may have a lot to say about Dan Rather and the news creation departments at CBS.


17 posted on 01/10/2005 7:55:31 AM PST by blackdog (Demorat Politician = Those in power who manipulate tribal hatreds for personal gain.)
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To: Kaslin

Headline: Four new names of unemployed leftists have been added for potential DNC Chair.


18 posted on 01/10/2005 7:56:25 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Choose Ye This Day
One of the boo-boos they're admitting:

The telephone call prior to the Segment’s airing by the producer of the Segment to a senior campaign official of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry - a clear conflict of interest - that created the appearance of a political bias.

No this didn't CREATE and APPEARANCE of political bias. The bias already existed. This was just one more example that confirmed it.

19 posted on 01/10/2005 7:57:37 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

The Kerry camp and Joe Lockhart are specifically mentioned as part of the problem..........Hmmmmmm! Like we didn't know that?


20 posted on 01/10/2005 7:57:43 AM PST by blackdog (Demorat Politician = Those in power who manipulate tribal hatreds for personal gain.)
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To: Kaslin

Myopic zeal--so, the CBS "eye" is near-sighted! (read:
CBiaSed News)


21 posted on 01/10/2005 7:57:59 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Since Mapes’ regular associate producer was out on maternity leave, another associate producer with whom she had not previously worked, Yvonne Miller, was assigned late on Thursday, September 2, to assist Mapes in putting the story together. The first assignment that Mapes gave to Miller on Friday, September 3, was to have the documents authenticated. Neither Mapes nor Miller had any prior experience in document or handwriting analysis or the mechanics of document authentication.

Pass the blame.

22 posted on 01/10/2005 8:00:08 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Kaslin

Now how's about the panel doing this investigation decides to do some retroactive QC on a few dozen previous segments on 60 minutes?


23 posted on 01/10/2005 8:00:14 AM PST by blackdog (Demorat Politician = Those in power who manipulate tribal hatreds for personal gain.)
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To: Kaslin

No sweat...Kinko's is hiring!


24 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:24 AM PST by KStorm (Democrats...al-Queda...what's the difference? They're both enemies of America.)
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To: Kaslin

HOW MUCH DID THEY GET PAID to keep their mouths shut? That's the real story. SeeBS wants no more problems from this gang of four.


25 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:33 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
The question of whether a political agenda played any role in the airing of the Segment is one of the most subjective, and most difficult, that the Panel has sought to answer. The political agenda question was posed by the Panel directly to Dan Rather and his producer, Mary Mapes, who appear to have drawn the greatest attention in terms of possible political agendas. Both strongly denied that they brought any political bias to the Segment. The Panel recognizes that those who saw bias at work in the Segment are likely to sweep such denials aside. However, the Panel will not level allegations for which it cannot offer adequate proof.

The Panel does not find a basis to accuse those who investigated, produced, vetted or aired the Segment of having a political bias. The Panel does note, however, that on such a politically charged story, coming in the midst of a presidential campaign in which military service records had become an issue, there was a need for meticulous care to avoid any suggestion of an agenda at work. The Panel does not believe that the appropriate level of care to avoid the appearance of political motivation was used in connection with this story.

Nothing to see here. Move along. CBiaS.

26 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:34 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
What more do they NEED?

They knew ... I still need to read the whole report ... but, sounds like they are sugar coating it

27 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:41 AM PST by Mo1 (Does the distinguished Sen from VT wish to act as our treaty rep. for negotiations with Al Queda?)
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To: RippleFire

WHO prepared the fake documents?

This was an "investigation"?

CBS needs a panel to decide who to fire?

Again, WHO instigated these fakes?


28 posted on 01/10/2005 8:05:59 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Choose Ye This Day
The Panel does not believe that evidence exists to demonstrate that the political leanings of any source influenced the production of the September 8 Segment. Doubtless, however, these sources to some degree sought to use 60 Minutes Wednesday to further their own political agendas, as they likely viewed a TexANG story on President Bush’s service as potentially helpful to efforts to defeat President Bush in his reelection campaign. It goes without saying that CBS News must guard against being used by people pursuing particular agendas and must have careful and balanced reporting and vetting.

Good grief. You were WILLING ACCOMPLICES! "The Panel" is a bunch of butt-covering dissemblers.

29 posted on 01/10/2005 8:06:55 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Mo1
sounds like they are sugar coating it

Big time.

30 posted on 01/10/2005 8:07:40 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Mo1

I disagree, its a modern bitch slapping, allowing for what the panel could "prove". I think this is highly embarrasing for CBS. I believe, unlike those who think that short of Dan Rather being fired, anything else is a whitewash, that this is a major victory for us.


31 posted on 01/10/2005 8:08:00 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Kaslin

I see Heyward's staying put.


32 posted on 01/10/2005 8:09:06 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Choose Ye This Day
The Panel asked Rather directly to comment on whether he was motivated in any way by a political animus in pursuing the September 8 Segment. He responded: “absolutely, unequivocally untrue.”

Oh. Well, that's that. We can take Dan's word for it.

33 posted on 01/10/2005 8:09:51 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Kaslin; All

Does anyone have the pic of Havana Dan and Fidel?


34 posted on 01/10/2005 8:09:57 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: blackdog

I do hope some of those who are asked to resign will stand up and speak up. They need to speak to Bernie Goldberg after they get really pissed. I am very dissappointed in Dick Thornburg. He is a decent man, but his decency led him to be timid in properly assigning responsibility for these series of attacks meant to overthrow an election and a sitting president. The fact that Rather has resigned should have lent the air of freedom to tell it like it was. But Thornburg failed in doing this. Once again the lower level grunts take it in the neck while the leadership of CBS goes without accounablity. Rather should have been shown as the naked partisan that he is, and fired despite the fact he has resigned. So, nothing has changed. There are a million Mary Mapes, as despicable as she is, to take her place and continue the war through the media on decency and American idealism. This is simply a facade to obscure what we here at Free Republic know to be true.


35 posted on 01/10/2005 8:11:29 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: Kaslin; All

Alright rack it

If Dan Rather had any digntiy he should resign and not let women take the blame tell me alot about Dan
He is sexist coward


36 posted on 01/10/2005 8:12:58 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: RippleFire

Does it hurt more to be "terminated" rather than "asked to resign?"


37 posted on 01/10/2005 8:16:04 AM PST by Kerfuffle
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To: Choose Ye This Day
One person recalled that Mapes said her source was nearby when her source’s source took the documents and that the documents remained with her source’s source, who now lived in Germany and was “unavailable,” until he gave copies to her source. No one present at the meeting asked Mapes why the source’s source was “unavailable” or demanded that she find him before airing the Segment. The Panel finds this to be a significant omission.

The German connection!

38 posted on 01/10/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I also remember that at the time, Rather's daughter was involved in the mechanics of this story. Funny how Rather's daughter is not being fired from CBS or if she is a contractor to them as an independant, why they do not sue her for harm to CBS.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:57 AM PST by blackdog (Demorat Politician = Those in power who manipulate tribal hatreds for personal gain.)
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To: lawdude
"Nobody was driving, Officer! We were all in the back seat singing!"

Yep.

Now that the sham "investigation" is over, we should demand a real investigation -- lest CBS never sees another avertising dollar.

40 posted on 01/10/2005 8:19:06 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Kaslin
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41 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:23 AM PST by IncPen (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: mewzilla
I see Heyward's staying put.

Interesting in light of this little gem from the Fox piece: [emphasis added]

CBS News President Andrew Heyward on Sept. 10 ordered West, one of the ousted executives, to investigate and review the opinions of document experts who had seen the disputed memos and unnamed sources that formed the basis for the Bush National Guard story.

That investigation never happened, the panel's report said.

That Heyward let West skate so long on such blatant insubordination is in itself troubling ... unless Heyward never intended for the documents to be authenticated and his Sept. 10th "order" was just so much window dressing.

42 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:08 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: IncPen

Another great graphic. Thanks.


43 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:09 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Kaslin

This is cool, but since Rather wasn't fired I'll never watch cBS again.


44 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:12 AM PST by Manic_Episode (I don't lose my composure in a high speed chase)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
While it appears that Mapes and/or Miller did consult with Matley regarding the “th” issue, the Panel is unable to determine whether this occurred when he was in New York on Monday, September 6, or after his return to San Francisco on Tuesday, September 7. Whenever the conversation occurred, Matley recalled telling them the following: (1) IBM had multiple characters that could be specially ordered for its typewriters during the early 1970s; and (2) one could modify any typewriter to include a special character like the “th” at that time. He also believes he told them, in effect, that “it would not have been impossible” to have produced the superscript “th” in the early 1970s. Matley also said that he told Mapes and Miller that proportional spacing was “available” on IBM electric typewriters. Matley believes that this conversation lasted no longer than five minutes, and that this was the full extent of their consultation with him about the issue.

Well, at least CBS thoroughly investigated their "evidence."

45 posted on 01/10/2005 8:26:05 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: Kaslin

Some FReepers wanted a more critical report, but do not despair.

It's Martin Luther time all over again, and someone had just nailed this report to the network door.

Do not despair, any of us. Some of us wanted more. By practical, network and legal standards, this report is far from a whitewash. It is damning. There has been nothing like this before. In 30 years of TV, I have never seen anything like it.

For an industry that ALWAYS tries to stand behind their work, truthful or not, this is a stake in the heart. The Peter Arnett/CNN "Tailwind" report was bad enough, but this is worse. CBS is the "Tiffany Network," and involves their biggest "News Star." Dan was the brand at CBS, and the brand has been found to be rotten.

Look at the facts. We cannot PROVE the documents were fake. One cannot prove a negative. It doesn't matter here because the overwhelming preponderance of evidence demonstrates that they are forgeries, and everyone knows it. That is enough, because it is not our duty to prove them false. It was the duty of CBS to prove them genuine. They have not accomplished 1% of that task, and the report specifies how they did not.

Senior heads rolled. The one that will make the most impact is not Rather, (everyone knows he was over the hill) but rather Betsy West. She was "golden." Now she is gone.

It goes further. It states that because Rather voluntarily moved up his retirement date, "no further action is necessary." Between the lines, the words "Dan quit so we don't have to fire him" jump off the page.

This is a huge victory.

This says, not to FReepers, but to the soccer moms and their families that they cannot trust CBS News. We already knew that, but that is not what's important here.

This report will be the core materiel in every journalism class for decades to come.

It will be the core support materiel for our side everytime someone attacks Sinclair or Fox.

It will become the core of the case when local groups challenge the relicensing of TV stations that no longer serve the needs of or reflect the values of the communities they are licensed to serve.

It will be the document lawyers use in libel, slander, and false light cases to show a pattern of behavior.

Every ABC and NBC salesman will have a copy in their briefcase whenever they are selling commercial time against "CBS Evening News." Ratings will decline further.

My guess: long term cost to CBS? 80-150 million $.

It's Martin Luther time all over again, and someone had just nailed this report to the newsroom door.

To give you an idea of how this is being received, spoke to 3 former CBS colleagues this morning. The word "sh*t" was in each of their opening sentences to me.

There will be major, longterm fallout over this.

We are winning.


46 posted on 01/10/2005 8:27:39 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: NonValueAdded

SSDD as long as Heyward's still there...


47 posted on 01/10/2005 8:28:14 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Kaslin

Has anyone been to DU? They're still claiming the memos were real.


48 posted on 01/10/2005 8:28:30 AM PST by Y2Bogus
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To: Carry_Okie
Melanie Morgan and Brian Sussman were just talking about this now on KSFO.

Rather is still hiding behind his image, tarnished (corroded more like it) though it is.

Talking now about the Swifties.

49 posted on 01/10/2005 8:28:59 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Choose Ye This Day
The attacks on the September 8 Segment began virtually immediately. One of the first came on freerepublic.com, a website:

[E]very single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts. The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90’s. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn’t used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80’s used monospaced fonts. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.85

50 posted on 01/10/2005 8:33:38 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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