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Toddler dies in wash: Girl swept away while her family is rescued
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | January 10, 2005 | Charles F. Bostwick

Posted on 01/11/2005 3:49:04 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: lainie

Thanks for sharing this. Regardless of what happened, prayers for the family of this baby.


81 posted on 01/11/2005 8:25:09 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Thank you, Cindy.


82 posted on 01/11/2005 8:29:51 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: EveningStar; trussell; TexasCowboy; Salvation; Coleus

Thanks for the ping star, pinging the prayer people.


83 posted on 01/11/2005 8:30:17 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: lainie; All
I misspoke -- the previous member has a friend who is a sheriff, not a family member in S&R. Just went back and reread the posts from a few days ago.
84 posted on 01/11/2005 8:35:56 PM PST by lainie
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To: CindyDawg; Brad's Gramma; farmfriend; Valpal1

I agree. Thanks, all.


85 posted on 01/11/2005 8:37:28 PM PST by lainie
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To: EveningStar
I have watched, today, the footage on Fox of the eight week old baby being rescued by professional emergency crew, only to have the raft over turn, and they lose him again. Thank God they got him back again and he will be fine.

I'm glad there was no footage, that I watched, of this death because I could not bear watching it, really.

I had a friend whose mother was driving the grandchildren and had an accident. It was technically her fault, but not negligence. One grandchild was killed. At the funeral, someone said "her life is over now". I mistakenly thought the person was talking about the mother of the deceased child. But, she was talking about the grandmother. And it was true, as the grandmother was never the same afterward.

I don't think anyone gets over the loss of a child, even stupid women who drive through barricades.
86 posted on 01/11/2005 9:10:41 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: farmfriend; lainie
Thank you for the ping, ff.

Lainie, thank you for the real story. As I read the first seventy posts or so I had the feeling we weren't getting the right story.

Dear God, please take this baby girl into your arms and comfort her with your love.
Soothe the mother, please Lord. Let her find peace.

87 posted on 01/11/2005 9:18:28 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: lainie

My heart breaks whenever I hear about children hurt or killed. For their families too. I'll pray for them.


88 posted on 01/11/2005 9:29:31 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Nature is a mass murderer." -- Gregg Easterbrook)
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To: Valpal1
I think some type of criminal negligence charges are in order.

I completely agree. There should be fines as well for those that utterly ignore warnings risking the life and limb of other that have to go in to undo their idiocy and negligence. I'm thinking of those landslides too. Apparently it was all but certain that those were going to occur.

They ought to begin to fine these buffoons and ignoramuses 10K on top of whatever losses they suffer! They lucky to not all be Darwin candidates.

89 posted on 01/11/2005 9:34:49 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

FYI, see post #76.


90 posted on 01/11/2005 9:40:27 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Conservababe

How could they get over it if they're sane?


91 posted on 01/11/2005 10:05:44 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: lainie

I will side with you and the AVers on this one. I have seen CAD entries change with my own eyes on the CHP system..... You will have to have a written entry on a signed log at LACoRoads for me to believe it was "closed"

That said, all day and night we have seen people removing the closures because they think the water has gone down, etc. And since they are committing a crime, they arent going to replace the cones, barriers, etc after they get past.


92 posted on 01/11/2005 10:28:09 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: CindyDawg

Cindy: I owe you an apology, Alot of us here were quick to judge to this woman's "stupid actions" not knowing all the facts, as posted by Lainie and Brad's Gramma.

We all know the MSM looks to dramatize someones loss for viewers and we were no better in reacting to the story fed to us. It's difficult when you hear a child died and we are quick to judge the parent's actions, especially when you were not the one making that decision at the time, One that you are going to have to live with based on the choices you made. Our prayers go out to the family.


93 posted on 01/12/2005 6:30:29 AM PST by newfrpr04
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To: PleaseNoMore
"Ever make any stupid mistakes in your life? not one?
Answer: Not one that would endanger someone else. We all make dump mistakes, some without thinking, some that require us to be accountable and responsible for our actions.....but when it comes to COMMON SENSE ...specially when it concerns a child or elder, I would rather not take a chance. Yet none of us can say we are prepared for what might happen, or what we would do in this situation. I would hope that I could live with the choice that I made. The "what if's" will not bring back this child. Her grief must be unbearable.
94 posted on 01/12/2005 6:55:22 AM PST by newfrpr04
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To: newfrpr04

Nah, you don't, but thanks:') We were just talking.


95 posted on 01/12/2005 7:20:19 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: exnavychick
FYI, see post #76.

"She saw a little water but didn't realize that it was a deap dip."

First of all, it would appear that whomever wrote that is sympathetic. But regardless, a degree of common sense needs to be exercised in situations such as this.

Nevertheless, how sorry am I to feel for people that build, in spite of everything screaming at you, homes in a place where it's simply a matter of time, how long is immaterial given that we're not talking centuries here, before a landslide wipes you out??

Do I feel sorry for these people? Absolutely. Were they stupid? You bet they were!

Too many Americans have gotten used to notions that they can "have whatever they want" w/o respect to rules, laws, etc. Too many of them are applying that to nature, something that has no bias, not timetable, no agenda, no feelings, nothing.

It's just like people who build homes in a flood plain. Well? Then they get flooded. Wow! That sure is a shock.

I lived in Arizona years ago, and I'm tellin' you, the first thing you learn is to stay the hell away from those rivers when it rains. Either the man made ones or the natural ones! It doesn't matter what "you think" is the case, it matters what can happen in a matter of seconds. And golly gee, there was deeper water than she could see! Imagine that!

Come on...

Someone else posted about cars routinely running RR crossing gates. I suppose if you can't see a train, then the odds are that you'll make it. But if you do it often enough, you're bound to end up dead. For some reason, I can't imagine that this was the only time this lady did this. And even if so, is it worth even the slightest risk in her case?!!!!!

It'd have been one thing if she had had a 16 and 13 year old with her who could swim. But to have two children that both needed help? No, I stand by my statements. Anyone there is going to mitigate the circumstance. But even if not, common sense screams out here and this lady was negligent! I also refuse to believe that in these modern United States, that there was absolutely no other way across. It may have been miles out of the way, but hey, once again, as Americans, we are so ingrained into getting what we want when we want it, that patience is next to nonexistent.

As a new daddy with a one-month old and a 3 yr. old, my heart does go out! But in a million years, with my two, alone in the car, would I have done the same? No way!

96 posted on 01/12/2005 7:51:32 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

Well, it's obvious you have your mind up about this.

Congratulations on your new baby.


97 posted on 01/12/2005 8:10:22 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick

Thanks! BTW.

I just know human nature.

Let me ask you, would you have done what she did?

Why or why not?


98 posted on 01/12/2005 8:41:29 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: EveningStar

So sad that this child had to pay for her mother's stupidity.


99 posted on 01/12/2005 8:43:45 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: Fruitbat

No, I would not have done the same. However, I have the benefit of experiencing some pretty heavy flooding, which left my car stranded on a median, forcing me to walk my eight months pregnant self 2 miles home in hip deep water. Then again, I didn't have a lot of choice in the matter. We were hit with a tropical storm, and until I was released from duty, I couldn't leave. By then, the only road home was flooding out.

We started out, and it started getting bad, so we pulled over to an area that was higher, for about 2hrs. When it looked like the rain had finally passed for good, and the water started going down, we headed for home. We almost made it, but as soon as it got too high, my husband beached the car on a median and we walked the rest of the way.

Painful lesson learned, but not nearly as bad as this lady.


100 posted on 01/12/2005 8:52:41 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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