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Theories Emerging in NJ Family Murders (Family cousin translator in trial of Lynne Stewart)
ABC News in New Jersey/7online.com ^ | 1/17/05 | Kemberly Richardson

Posted on 01/17/2005 5:37:13 PM PST by Brian Mosely

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To: Senator Pardek
You're from the South - you don't know where your wife is or what she does?

Though we love and admire DG here in Texas, he's from California.

21 posted on 01/17/2005 5:55:13 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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To: Phsstpok

Not a leap on my part. I was only commenting on the story.

Why would someone want to get at the translator? I'm sure they record testimony. If the translator goofs up or intentionally misinterprets, then they just have another translator listen to the tape and get it right.

These guys may be dumb, but I don't think they're that dumb. If they were going to bump off someone in order to impact the trial, they'd choose someone who would make a difference.


22 posted on 01/17/2005 5:56:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

I am so toast.


23 posted on 01/17/2005 5:57:08 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Lion in Winter

Thanks for that information.


24 posted on 01/17/2005 5:58:42 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: muawiyah

I wonder if killing the family of the intepreter might also have an effect on the trial. I don't know if it's before a jury or not, but if it is and they become aware of the connection, I suppose it might be considered prejudicial to the defendants (Lynne Stewart and her interpreter for working with the sheik, a man named Mohammed Khoury).


25 posted on 01/17/2005 5:58:52 PM PST by livius
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To: Lion in Winter

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that it was a hate crime, or are you saying that they did it because they were trying to impact the trial? The story suggests that they were trying to impact the trial. I don't buy that. To me, the hate crime theory makes more sense.


26 posted on 01/17/2005 5:59:10 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Check post 17. That's the way I'm leaning.


27 posted on 01/17/2005 6:01:14 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; JudyinCanada; USF; Happy2BMe; CHARLITE; All
Thx John...this comment stuck out:

He recently argued in a chat room with a Muslim, who felt he had insulted Islam. That man reportedly threatened to kill him if he didn't take back his comments.

Now of course there is a possibility that the family was robbed by someone who, perchance, used the same MO as a Muslim executioner...let's say 1000 to 1...and that's being generous. And I know police work...these gals and guys, despite the bad word spread, are humans with a desire for justice. In fact, their desire is quite strong...and strenthened by every frikken brutal murder they encounter.

I imagine the detectives and investigators on this case are like dogs...they may not find the culprit such that a trial can be brought and won...but they will know who did it and why.

And we can already speculate very accurately as to why...these Christians did not convert and had the audacity to speak truthfully about Islam.

This is the fate that awaits all of us...

Islam must die...we must kill it!

28 posted on 01/17/2005 6:02:21 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Brian Mosely

The cousin apparently wasn't close to the murdered family.

The link between the dead father's outbursts against Muslims on Paltalk ICQ seeming more probable.
>>>>>>


Islamic Violence Against Copts Reaches Into Jersey City
14:56 Jan 17, '05 / 7 Shevat 5765


(IsraelNN.com) An Egyptian Coptic (Christian) man, his wife and their two daughters were found brutally stabbed to death last week in Jersey City, New Jersey. The apparent motive for the killings, according to sources close to the case and others close to the family, was Islamic fanaticism.

The murdered man, Hossam Armanious, was known for his outspoken Christian faith, which he promoted in Internet "chat rooms" among Muslim web surfers. According to a fellow Jersey City Copt, a Muslim in the chat room had threatened to kill Armanious "like a chicken."

Mohsen Lutfi, one of the founding members of an Egyptian movement calling for a return to the land's Coptic roots, said in 2003, "We are Egyptians and not Arabs.... The Arabs are our friends and neighbors and we have common destiny, but we are not Arabs."

Copts are allegedly descended from the ancient Egyptian peoples who populated the region before the Arab Islamic imperial wars of conquest in North Africa in the early 600s CE.


29 posted on 01/17/2005 6:03:26 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Judith Anne

Possibly. The exact motive may not be clear. However, the calling card says "Islamicist" all over it--the slit throat. That's what they did to the 911 victims.


30 posted on 01/17/2005 6:06:00 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brian Mosely

bttt


31 posted on 01/17/2005 6:06:50 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Brilliant

Agreed.


32 posted on 01/17/2005 6:07:11 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Brian Mosely
This is a (bit) insensitive, but it's on point..

"A Coptic to a Muslim is like a Hasidim that loves pork chops." Any "jihadist" or even a "wannabe" would take exceptional pride and pleasure in doing this heinous and unthinkable crime.

I hope when they are found, there is a MOAB with the name of their ancestral village on it.

33 posted on 01/17/2005 6:07:55 PM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Dog Gone

That's the difference between youse guys and ourselves: down there a dude can marry his sister - but up here, he can marry his brother...


34 posted on 01/17/2005 6:08:19 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Brilliant
"However, the calling card says "Islamicist" all over it"

You can say that again...

35 posted on 01/17/2005 6:12:19 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Brilliant; jan in Colorado
The exact motive may not be clear.

To the detectives on the case, the motive is as clear as a bell...it is a question of whether the evidence will stand up in court, not a matter of what the investigators think. What say you, Jan...confirm or deny?

"Police woman coming on duty, stand back please!"

36 posted on 01/17/2005 6:13:32 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Senator Pardek; Dog Gone

ROFLOL>>>>Yousss guys!


37 posted on 01/17/2005 6:15:25 PM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Selkie
How about this ~ the same loudmouthed Moslems in that chatroom are also the same loudmouthed Moslems previously involved in supporting the Blind Sheikh?

All same thing GI!

38 posted on 01/17/2005 6:15:48 PM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: Brilliant

Both buddy... BOTH! Hate crime and a threat to ANYBODY who works against their terrorist cells.


39 posted on 01/17/2005 6:16:22 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Lion in Winter
Both is my vote too.

Look how the Palestinians executed the individuals who where willing to work with Israel for peace....No one dared to stand up for them....

Read a book years ago about how the communist took over Greece.....They scouted the village and then they killed a very outspoken, well liked leader of the village in front of everyone.....The rest fell in line...and gave them no problems.
40 posted on 01/17/2005 6:21:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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