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To: Modernman
a man who was responsible for the deaths of more loyal Americans than anyone other than Hitler.

The same could be said about Lincoln.

The victors write the history.

(and do notice that only a few whack jobs agree with your assertion)

33 posted on 01/19/2005 7:53:22 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
>> The victors write the history. <<

Really? No doubt the following items will be appearing in history books soon: 1) Joan of Arc was a heretic freak who deserved to be burned at the stake.

2) O.J. Simpson was an innocent man unjustly framed for murder by racist cops.

3) America (and FDR) was fully justified in placing Japanese-Americans during WWII

4) Only creationism should be taught in Tennessee public schools (hey guess who the VICTOR in the Scopes Monkey trial was?)

5) The trial of tears? Nothing wrong with that.

6) The Spanish-America war was completely due to the sinking of the battleship Maine in Havana's harbor, and had absolutely nothing to do with Hearst newspapers. (so said the "victors")

7) England should be a Republic. The royals must be removed immediately (you may notice the republicans and NOT the loyalists were the VICTORS during the English civil war, but good luck trying to stir up any popular sentiment to remove the royals now)

8) Western Europe during the Dark Ages was a GREAT period in history, cuz it was so much better after the Roman Empire fell to barbarian horde invaders.

Shall I continue listing additional "victors" that are remember in a NEGATIVE light by history? There are dozens of more examples.

>> (and do notice that only a few whack jobs agree with your assertion) <<<<<

Ironically, most of the "confederate" leaders themselves WERE honorable men who were extremely respectful towards Lincoln, Grant, etc., and praised their leadership skills, then worked to unite this country during reconstruction. It is the NEO confederates who insist on villifying and tearing down others because they can't get over losing a conflict from 160 years ago. Robert E. Lee would greatly disappointed. (oh well, he's from Northern Virgina and therefore a "liberal yankee scalawag" by their standards)

"I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than the dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation."
--Robert E. Lee, January 23, 1861

"Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for perpetual union so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession. Anarchy would have been established, and not a government, by Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison, and the other patriots of the Revolution."
—Robert E. Lee, letter, January 23, 1861

"I shall carry with me to the grave the most grateful recollections of your kind consideration, & your name & fame will always be dear to me. Save in the defense of my native State, I never desire again to draw my sword."
--Robert E. Lee to General Winfield Scott

"I have carefully searched the millitary records of both ancient and modern history, and have never found Grant's superior as a general"
--Robert E. Lee

"Both sides forget that we are all Americans. I foresee that our country will pass through a terrible ordeal, a necessary expiation, perhaps, for our national sins."
--Robert E. Lee

"With all my devotion to the Union, and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children and my home."
--Robert E. Lee

"There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war."
--Robert E. Lee

"It is well that war is so terrible--we should grow too fond of it"
- Robert E. Lee gave this observation while watching thousands of Union soldiers sent to the slaughter at Fredericksburg

"I believe it to be the duty of everyone to unite in the restoration of the country and the reestablishment of peace and harmony."
- Robert E. Lee made this statement following the end of hostilities.

"Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans."
--Robert E. Lee, 1865

98 posted on 01/19/2005 12:23:19 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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