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http://www.fairus.org/ ^ | 1/19/05 | Vickey

Posted on 01/19/2005 8:56:57 PM PST by Dan12180

Federation for Immigration Reform

The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Californians: Executive Summary

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to nearly $9 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.

This analysis looks specifically at the costs to the state for education, health care and incarceration resulting from illegal immigration. These three are the largest cost areas, and they are the same three areas analyzed in a 1994 study conducted by the Urban Institute, which provides a useful baseline for comparison ten years later. Other studies have been conducted in the interim, showing trends that support the conclusions of this report.

As this report will note, other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist and should be taken into account by federal and state officials. But, even without accounting for all of the numerous areas in which costs associated with illegal immigration are being incurred by California taxpayers, the programs analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.

The more than $10.1 billion in costs incurred by California taxpayers is composed of outlays in the following areas:

* Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in California and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Californians spend approximately $7.7 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings. Nearly 15 percent of the K-12 public school students in California are children of illegal aliens.

* Health care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state's illegal alien population amount to about $1.4 billion a year. * Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in California's prisons and jails amounts to about $1.4 billion a year (not including related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).

State and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments can generously be estimated at about $1.6 billion per year.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost areas. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as special English instruction, school feeding programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.

While the primary responsibility for combating illegal immigration rests with the federal government, there are many measures that state and local governments can take to combat the problem. Californians should not be expected to assume this already large and growing burden from illegal immigration simply because businesses or other special interests benefit from being able to employ lower cost workers. The state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed. Policies could then be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.

The state could also enter into a cooperative agreement with the federal government for training local law enforcement personnel in immigration law so that illegal immigrants apprehended for criminal activities may be turned over to immigration authorities for removal from the country. Similarly, local officials who have adopted "sanctuary" measures that shield illegal aliens from being reported to the immigration authorities should be urged to repeal them.

November 2004 http://www.fairus.org/


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I am researching this group. They seem to be working toward real immigration reform.
1 posted on 01/19/2005 8:57:00 PM PST by Dan12180
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To: Dan12180

If we truly believe in what this country stands for, we cannot in good faith and in good conscience deny that hope to all freedom-loving peoples of earth, regardless of the attendant costs and attendant pains.

For if we truly are a people of hope, we welcome immigrants with the knowledge that the benefits and advantages conferred by immigration will far outweigh the costs and pains. Our attitude toward immigration cannot be informed solely, or even primarily, by base economic considerations; our attitude toward immigration must ultimately turn on our belief in our future and ourselves.


2 posted on 01/19/2005 9:09:39 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Immigrants are welcome. New cultures are welcome. New thoughts and ideas are welcome. Immigrants need to follow the established laws of our country to join us. We don't desire new citizens who's first act is breaking our laws. New citizens need to honor our country and laws to be welcome here.
3 posted on 01/19/2005 9:17:43 PM PST by Dan12180
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To: ClintonBeGone
we cannot in good faith and in good conscience deny that hope to all freedom-loving peoples of earth, regardless of the attendant costs and attendant pains.

The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.

The people of the border states, California included, do NOT agree with you. Has it occurred to you that many struggling American families cannot afford to spend over a thousand dollars a year to support illegal aliens?

4 posted on 01/19/2005 9:35:20 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Dan12180

Are you two boys the PR committee for the immigrants? The contributions of immigrants, legal and otherwise, have always been overstated, and always by someone with a vested interest, either an immigrant or someone who wants to hire one. Cultural pollution, economic drain, crime disease, -- these are some of the actual - not immaginary - effects of immigration. Do we want to help them come here and suck the money? I don't think so.


5 posted on 01/19/2005 9:41:08 PM PST by henderson field
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To: ClintonBeGone
There are two types of immigration. Legal immigration and illegal immigration.

One should never ever use the word immigration by itself unless you are intending to mislead your audience.

I have no problem with legal immigration and I welcome legal immigrants with open arms and a hearty hello.

I have a serious problem with illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants, from whatever source, need to be rounded up and deported post haste and, at the same time, we need the border secured to ensure that they stay home or return as a legal immigrant.

I hope that makes my position clear.

6 posted on 01/19/2005 9:46:09 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Dan12180; DoctorZIn

r u interested?


7 posted on 01/19/2005 9:49:43 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Dan12180; Admin Moderator

Just curious, but since this thread was just posted...would this be one of the conditions that you would post who added keywords to the thread?

Think it would prove a point early, and end a lot of pointless bickering.

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8 posted on 01/19/2005 9:50:28 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Somebody said dessert?

9 posted on 01/19/2005 9:58:35 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Sorry, what is your complaint? I don't understand.


10 posted on 01/19/2005 9:59:26 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

It appears to be a good post. With two keywords that fit with the post. Then there's that racistgroup keyword. It sticks out a bit.

Was just wondering if someone other than the author added it, and if you'd be willing to let us know who that person was.


11 posted on 01/19/2005 10:01:35 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group

No, sorry.


12 posted on 01/19/2005 10:03:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Let it go -- the list of likely suspects is short and laughable.


13 posted on 01/19/2005 10:10:43 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group

While we're at it, help me guess how big this beast will grow. The great helm, in 12-gauge steel, fits my fat head loosely. Sauza, the kitten, will only be four months old day after tomorrow. His camera shy brother Ornito makes him look like the runt of the litter.


14 posted on 01/19/2005 10:26:20 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: Dan12180
Authorities are scouring Boston for four Chinese nationals and two Iraqi men who may pose a nuclear threat to the city based on a report from an unidentified man calling from Mexico who claims to have smuggled them over the U.S. border.
15 posted on 01/19/2005 10:27:14 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: henderson field

I want enforcement of immigration laws and deportation of all illegal immigrants.


16 posted on 01/19/2005 10:34:38 PM PST by Dan12180
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To: 1_Inch_Group

I didn't intend to add "racist" to the keywords. It could easily be my error.


17 posted on 01/19/2005 10:39:12 PM PST by Dan12180
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To: joesnuffy

The western outskirts of what China considers its borders includes several sizable Islamic minority groups.


18 posted on 01/19/2005 10:39:16 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: Dan12180

I agree! That is our problem; Enforcement of the Immigration Laws. The farmers contend they couldn't afford to pay higher wages to have their crops picked, without the "undocumented workers". California is one of the largest Agriculture producing areas in the world. We have laws to fine the employer, if they "knowingly hire Illegal Immigrants". Without the ways and means to verify the legality of immigrant documents, before the crops rot in the fields, they don't care. Bottom line, get the crops in to feed the world. They aren't the only laws not being enforced, so what's the solution? Cut off a finger, hand or toe? Not going to happen!


19 posted on 01/19/2005 10:53:50 PM PST by Walkenfree (Bad can get worse & good can get better.)
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To: Dan12180

I doubt it based on your previous posting history.


20 posted on 01/19/2005 10:56:06 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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21 posted on 01/19/2005 11:02:18 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: ClintonBeGone
If we truly believe in what this country stands for, we cannot in good faith and in good conscience deny that hope to all freedom-loving peoples of earth, regardless of the attendant costs and attendant pains.

I strongly disagree with you. It's no longer about what we stand for. Who says we HAVE to foot the bill for millions of criminals who have broke OUR laws to get here?? In case you haven't noticed we are losing our country to millions of illegals. IF we make 15-20 million people citizens, our welfare system will collapse, because they will be able to go on ALL of the free programs. We simply can't pay for it all. Our hospitals are already running out of money taking care of illegals. We simply don't have the money.

I see you're from Michigan, so you're not one of the border states with Mexico like CA, AZ, NM, and TX are. WE are getting slammed with having to take care of illegals from Mexico. Since you think it's the thing to do, we'll start sending them to your state and let YOU foot the bill for them. Maybe then you would see how foolish this amnesty crap is. I'm FED UP! Let's take care of AMERICAN'S first, for a change. I swear, I don't want ANY more immigrants coming to America for the rest of my life, and I don't care where they're coming from. Furthermore, I don't care who doesn't like it.

It's ridiculous for us to take millions of mouths to feed when OUR OWN country has people who NEED help. Since the last amnesty we have had 15-20 million more illegals cross the border from Mexico. Did the last amnesty stop them from coming? NO and IF we gave them ALL amnesty tomorrow, in 10 years or so we would have another 10-15 million illegals. It HAS to stop!! Deport, deport, deport. That's the battle cry. LOL < / rant off >

22 posted on 01/20/2005 12:41:43 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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To: Walkenfree

Eliminate all welfare and those that are now receiving it can either pick the crops or lay down in the street and die.


23 posted on 01/20/2005 1:08:48 AM PST by dalereed
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To: ClintonBeGone

Oh yes we can and we should. We should stop all immigration for 10 years, round-up the illegal scum who are here, and deport them, then go back to a very, very controlled 100,000 immigrants, carefully screened, per year.

Screw your absorbing "attendant costs and attendant pains"; that's BS. They either prove to be a benefit, or they don't get in here. We're not a catch-drain for the world's human garbage.

I smell a troll.


24 posted on 01/20/2005 1:35:46 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 1_Inch_Group
I doubt that you would be whining about key words if they included "DaneSucks".

BTW, you didn't hear Dane whining about that when it happened.

25 posted on 01/20/2005 4:56:55 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ClintonBeGone
our attitude toward immigration must ultimately turn on our belief in our future and ourselves.

How about..."our attitude toward immigration must ultimately turn on THE LAW."

26 posted on 01/20/2005 5:03:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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To: ovrtaxt
How about..."our attitude toward immigration must ultimately turn on THE LAW."

I'll be happy to abide by that as long as you do too when the President's guest worker program is passed and so many's status changes from illegal to legal.

27 posted on 01/20/2005 5:14:52 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
They either prove to be a benefit, or they don't get in here.

Clearly your ancestors didn't have to prove a benefit or pass an IQ test, why should these folks?

28 posted on 01/20/2005 5:16:03 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: NRA2BFree
It's ridiculous for us to take millions of mouths to feed when OUR OWN country has people who NEED help.

Our own 'poor' live in better conditions than some middle class in other countries. It's not without precedent in history that we can help those both here at home and those from other countries that want a better life here.

29 posted on 01/20/2005 5:18:32 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: atomic_dog
One should never ever use the word immigration by itself unless you are intending to mislead your audience.

I have no problem with legal immigration and I welcome legal immigrants with open arms and a hearty hello.

When the President's immigration reform passes they'll all be legal, so there's no need to make such a distinction. But you're free to call 'em what you want.

30 posted on 01/20/2005 5:20:04 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: janetgreen
The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.

Until I see some sort of documentation, proof or link to a reliable website, I'm going to chalk that figure up to more left-wing FAIR propaganda.

31 posted on 01/20/2005 5:21:01 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Back then, immigration was tightly controlled, and many were turned away.

I didn't say anything about an IQ test; you did. But if they have a skill or are trainable, they should be part of a firm monthly quota.

Coming here and winding-up on welfare for 20-30 years just isn't acceptable, IMO. My ancestors all had skills, or acquired new ones after arriving.


32 posted on 01/20/2005 5:22:29 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
I didn't say anything about an IQ test; you did. But if they have a skill or are trainable, they should be part of a firm monthly quota.

Quotas? I happen to be quite conservative and think there should be no quotas in government. Let the market decide how many shall come. If someone wants to come here to pick your lettuce at a farm, I would gladly accept them although it's not the kind of job that most would consider 'skilled'.

33 posted on 01/20/2005 5:25:46 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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Some truly feeeeeeeeeel that the right to U.S. transfer payments is a "human right" of the world's billions yearning to be free. Thus is the 1996 welfare and immigration laws' reauthorization being debated.

It ain't just ILLEGAL immigration.

Reauthorization of the 1996 welfare and immigration reform laws is long overdue, as best I can tell from some hard googling. There have been two Congresses and the only thing done was to extend the original laws and the changes that softened their impact. The House wants to keep the restrictions in place and the Senate wants to open the Treasury to legal permanent residents again(!).

The 1996 laws ended virtual automatic SSI, etc. for those coming after August, 1996 and there were time limit restrictions placed on SSI, food stamps, etc. etc. for those receiving government money prior to enactment in August, 1996. The time limits have been set aside already, i.e., benefits were to have been terminated after a set number of years but have been extended and extended as the years passed.

By 1996 almost one-third of the elderly getting SSI* (not the same as SS) were aged parents and other elderly relatives of legal immigrants. The elderly were sponsored and then put into SSI, food stamps, subsidized housing*, etc. etc. What a deal!

American taxpayers should celebrate and feeeeeeeeeeel good?

We concentrate on ILLEGAL aliens getting a pass via the "guest worker" plan. But the Bush administration and the Senate also want to undo some (all?) of the 1996 welfare restrictions placed upon legal permanent residents. What percentage of the world's population would like to get a U.S. government check each month?

* Note 1 - SSI Aged Noncitizens, from a Ways and Means immigration report (Green Book), 2003

Year. Number.. Percent of Total Aged SSI

1982 91,900 5.9

1983 106,600 7.0

1984 127,600 8.3

1985 146,500 9.7

1986 165,300 11.2

1987 188,000 12.9

1988 213,900 14.9

1989 245,700 17.1

1990 282,400 19.4

1991 329,690 22.5

1992 372,930 25.4

1993 416,420 28.2

1994 440,000 30.0

1995 459,220 31.8

1996 417,360 29.5

1997 367,200 27.0

1998 364,980 27.4

2000 364,470 28.3

2001 364,550 28.9

2002 364,827 29.1

The 1996 reforms stopped the practice of legal immigrants bringing their elderly relatives here for their SSI, etc. "golden" years. A little googling reveals that the immigrants often had very fine incomes, thank you.

* Note 2 - I cannot find the article but a year or two ago there was a S.F. Bay area news article about the local government wanting to relocate an apartment building full of elderly to a newer building. All were getting subsidized apartments. Plans had to be slipped because the government was having problems locating interpreters -- none of the elderly spoke English -- and the government did not want to alarm the elderly who might fear that they were being kicked out of their homes.

34 posted on 01/20/2005 5:51:28 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

What is your point? That when the government offers benefits, people will take them up on their offer? Why don't we keep our doors open to immigration, yet reduce or elminate these welfare benefits for all. That way we'll benefit economically from the immigration, culturally from the diversity and we'll also save a few bucks.


35 posted on 01/20/2005 5:55:32 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
RE: What is your point?

You got the point. Why did you ask?

36 posted on 01/20/2005 6:07:52 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Immigration is fine, as long as it's legal. If he wants to push amnesty, fine. He has to deal with the political fallout, though.


37 posted on 01/20/2005 6:27:52 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You got the point. Why did you ask?

No, I didn't. It seems to be a bunch of cut and paste words without much meaning. Can you sum it up in two sentences?

38 posted on 01/20/2005 6:45:41 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Ben Ficklin; Dane

Not whining Ben, just wanted to make a point that some of us are here do discuss the issue, and maybe make some changes happen.

Others are here to troll for people they can call racists and hopefully, get tossed off the board.

;)

Actually, I did hear Dane mention it....and he was right.


39 posted on 01/20/2005 7:43:10 AM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: ClintonBeGone
RE: sum up in two sentences"

Only if the reader has knowledge of the events leading up to the 1996 welfare and immigration reform laws; the subsequent debate and laws modifying the original laws; SSI, etc.; and has knowledge beyond their home state's borders.

For you I'll simply ask, American taxpayers should celebrate and feeeeeeeeeeel good about paying out billions to care for immigrants' elderly parents and relatives none of whom paid one penny into the system?

Now I will add some general comments for no one in particular.

"One Nation, Indivisible: Is It History?" By William Booth Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, February 22, 1998.

This 1998 WashPo article asks "What will happen when Hispanics overtake blacks as the nation's single largest minority?"

It has already happened. Big deal or not?

Well, in the past I'd say not. I believe that as a group Hispanics, like all immigrants, have served the American ideal very well even winning more Medals of Honor than any other group.

But that was before "diversity." That was before the xenophiles smashed the melting pot and threw the pieces out with last night's trash. That was before xenophiles started peeing on the graves of citizens past -- all Americans of all ethnic origins.

Today hyphenated groups demand their own private lanes on our highways for their use and their use alone. America is just a place in the feeeeeeeeeeelings of many. A duty free zone. Emphasis on absence of duty.

Do these hyphenated "immigrant rights" group speak for the majority of their groups?

I am inclined to say no. I have hope that the pieces of the melting pot can be found in the city dump and put back together.

40 posted on 01/20/2005 7:49:44 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group
Did Dane hit the abuse button on that thread?

Did Dane ask the Mod who placed the key words?

These are honest questions since Dane or someone else could have after I saw the thread, in which case I wouldn't know.

41 posted on 01/20/2005 8:01:52 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Not sure if he "hit the abuse button", I do recall him mentioning it. Same as I did. I've yet to hit the abuse button...the Admin's pay close enough attention to these threads already, last thing they need is me pestering them to ban someone that doensn't share my beliefs. More often then not, the Open Borders Lobby makes my point for me. Why would I want them banned?

I just posted to the Moderator to ask a question. In that particular thread, the Moderator said he wouldn't be above exposing the individual that posted the keyword.


42 posted on 01/20/2005 8:11:35 AM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Your reply #8 is to the mod.


43 posted on 01/20/2005 8:28:38 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dan12180

BTTT


44 posted on 01/20/2005 8:37:15 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: Ben Ficklin
I just posted to the Moderator to ask a question
45 posted on 01/20/2005 8:38:04 AM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group
I think I'm beginning to understand.

Someone else brought the mod in and you just did the talking. Thanks for clearing that for me.

46 posted on 01/20/2005 8:44:02 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ClintonBeGone
Our own 'poor' live in better conditions than some middle class in other countries.

And, I care because??? We already help most of the world with some sort of monetary assistance, and THEY HATE US ANYWAY. HELLO!! Are you listening?? Let them stay in their own country and we will continue to assist them THERE!!

It's not without precedent in history that we can help those both here at home and those from other countries that want a better life here.

I personally don't give a rat's ass about taking care of ANYONE. I'm FED UP. America is MY country, and I'm tired of taking care of people who are criminals from other countries. WHO said WE have to share America with ANYONE??? We REWARD CRIMINALS by making them citizens??? Has it occurred to you that ALL terrorists in that amnesty will also be made citizens? How STUPID is that? Only a MORON would think that's a good idea! I'm typing REAL SLOW here, because I want you to understand that THEY want to kill YOU and YOUR FAMILY! WAKE UP!!!

47 posted on 01/20/2005 8:48:43 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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To: dalereed

Eliminate all welfare?
Including the subsidies to farmers, the $10 Billion to the Tobacco farmers. Good Idea!


48 posted on 01/20/2005 12:03:16 PM PST by Walkenfree (Bad can get worse & good can get better.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I am not against any one race immigrating I am against anyone who chooses to break our laws to enter the country.


49 posted on 01/20/2005 12:23:27 PM PST by Dan12180
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To: ClintonBeGone
"If we truly believe in what this country stands for, we cannot in good faith and in good conscience deny that hope to all freedom-loving peoples of earth, regardless of the attendant costs and attendant pains.

For if we truly are a people of hope, we welcome immigrants with the knowledge that the benefits and advantages conferred by immigration will far outweigh the costs and pains. Our attitude toward immigration cannot be informed solely, or even primarily, by base economic considerations; our attitude toward immigration must ultimately turn on our belief in our future and ourselves"

Drama queen. Your attitude towards immigration seems to be the base liberal multicult balkanization variety. The illegal horde coming now doesn't want to assimilate. Divided we'll fall.

Don't expect the taxpayer to subsidize your cheap labor.

50 posted on 01/20/2005 12:36:36 PM PST by monkeywrench
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