Posted on 01/20/2005 10:22:21 AM PST by Tamar1973
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> there is no need to mention it on the sticker, except to say that it is only a theory, and there are theories.
You missed the point. Why does the sticker not mention *other* theories? Why does it not mention germ theory of disease, atomic theory, quantum theory, relativistic theory, string theory, theory of matrices, game theory? Simple: religion doesn't have a dog in those hunts, just in evolution. Relativity gets proved yea or nay, religion doesn't much care. But as the proof of evolution mounts, many of the religious are getting increasingly scared. They incorrectly see the fact of evolution as proof of the incorrectness fo their faith, so they fight. Unneseccarily, too, as many a theological evolutionist Freeper can attest. Evolution no more invalidates God or the Bible or the Koran than Kepler's Laws do.
It is only a big deal to those who wish to foment discord.
If you think God did everything, then great. God created Evolution. Why is this a problem?
I do think so. He did. And it is no problem for me, but it obviously is for the No-Goddists
Wonderful. We have now established that Genesis doesn't really mean what it's words say. We now know that we must interpret Genesis according to the world we see around us.
And what we see around us is lots and lots of evidence for Evolution. And since there is no place in the Bible that says that Evolution didn't happen, and since God's creation has evidence that it did. Well, I think it did.
By the way, there is no geologic evidence of a world wide flood either. After you figure out you can just ignore the "day" part of Genesis, you can understand that Noah's flood was really a local event. It's not that it didn't happen, but that just the story as told in Genesis isn't quite litteral. Like the "day" part.
Would you object to the same sticker being applied to gravitational theory, theory of Galois groups, music theory, or the Islamic creation story? There are many theories; only one is singled out for legal action by the school board.
What gives athiests the sole right to what goes into science books? Most religious people believe in science. I do
>>Amazing. Simply amazing. Apparently, not putting "God did it" on everything is an act of militant atheism.<<
Me thinks thou doth protesteth too much.
Either that or your response is to some other thread.
Perhaps it was the militant athiests that brought this suit. But that's not my point.
Teaching ID in school is a dumb idea. It starts fights like this one where kids will be challenged on their faith. It divides the conservative movement, even while it paints conservatives as dumb.
We need to oppose this "ID in schools" thing ourselves, because it will damage us if we allow it to continue.
Should we bring a lawsuit? No. But we should oppose this sillyness within these conservative forums so the left is prevented from using it against us? Yes.
>>As there are no scientific theories that oppose evolution to explain biodiversity, all that's left is religion. <<
What an incredibly closed minded and intellectually arrogant thing to say.
How do you know that what you say is true?
How can you know that? There is water on the moon. many elements on earth are present on the moon. the moon DOES have gravity. Hydrogen escapes earth atmosphere as well. Other gases would too if we didn't have an atmosphere trapping them in. Furhter, other planets have a stronger gravity than ours, how come they have no atmosphere? What makes you think earth always had an atmosphere? What makes you think that there was always water on earth? The earth isn't 4.5 billion years old. The earth would be in the centre of the sun 4.5 billion years ago. No matter how you try, the most you can calculate man's presence on earth is 7 thousand years. Where are our egg shells or remains from our previous forms? If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? -The bible only deals with mankind from the time God put us on earth. -God made man in his image, but God does not look like man. -We do not know what the length of a "day" would be from Gods perpective. Some think it's 1000 years.
Do you assume that scientist=athiest? Your question shows why the sticker is religious in nature.
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I'm a lifelong Republican who agrees with evolution and doesn't want my tax dollars to support the forced teaching of Protestant Christianity (since Catholicism has no issues with evolution) to my kids.<<
When public education was introduced in the US, one of the main texts used to teach reading skills to children was the Bible.
Well I suppose it was the other 50 threads on creationism where we've blasted this one away. I guess we've got to do it again.
Evolution is a FACT in that the evidence that says it occured is overwelming, and evidence that might falsify it has not been found.
Evolution is also a THEORY, in that it has an operating mechanisim. This was what Darwin's work was all about, describing his theory under the term, "natural selection". Any scientific questions about Evolution are directed at nailing down details of Evolution Theory. There is zero evidence that Evolution did not in fact occur.
This is equivalent to Music. I believe you will agree with me that Music exists. But when they study it in college, they call it "Music Theory". Gravity in fact exists. But the study of how gravity works is the "Theory of Gravity".
Get it?
Nobody said they did.
Most religious people believe in science. I do
Most do. I agree. It is just a few kooks. Unfortunately, some of them show up here.
>>No. Nothing is worshipped.<<
I don't want to start anything here, but are you aware that many who believe in ID do not worship or recognize anyone or anything as "God." Nothing is worshipped, but they believe in ID because of the known holes in evolution theory.
Of course it is religious in nature! As the opposite of good is bad, the opposite of evolution is creationalism. But you fail to tell me how the sticker is a government endorsment of religion, and how just by the sticker stating what is does makes it unscientific. That is the crux of the argument agsinst the sticker.
I suppose you know there are far more holes in the Theory behind Gravity than there are for Evolution?
Well, maybe you don't.
That french guy wrote a book about the "holes in the theory" that 19 hijackers took down the WTC. It was a best seller over there.
Lots of people find "holes in the theory" that we went too the moon. I think Fox did a show on it one time.
Lots of kooks can't see the forrest for the holes. I guess you are one.
Evolutionists that demand the removal of these stickers on textbooks are, for me, reminiscent of the pro-abortion people that demanded the removal of pro-life posters and advertisements showing fetuses and the results of abortions.
Both seem to want to actually stifle knowledge and giving enough information to the “unwashed masses” to make up their own minds.
It is intellectually dishonest, arrogant, and elitist. They have more in common with Kerry, et-al, than they are willing to admit.
>>Aliens brought us here. Probably because when they created us they found that we wouldn't obey their moral rules, had a tendancy to embrace stupid leftist marxist ideals which litered their nice planet with corpses so they kicked us off their planet.<<
If I was not a Christian, I would believe that over evolution, at least regarding the origin of the individual species on this particular planet.
And it fits within the confines of the sticker - go figure.
The sticker is undoubtedly meant to give cover for those who want to completly ignore an entire branch of science for religious reasons. That's why it's unscientific. And why it's religious.
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