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The sticker didn’t stick (or did it?)
Answers in Genesis ^ | January 20, 2005 | Pam Shepard

Posted on 01/20/2005 10:22:21 AM PST by Tamar1973

As previously reported, US District Judge Clarence Cooper handed down (last week) the much-anticipated ruling in the case of Selman v. Cobb County School District, in which parents challenged a school board decision to place evolution disclaimer stickers in the front cover of some high-school biology textbooks in Cobb County, Georgia, USA.

Contained within the judge’s 44-page ruling was the answer to the question everyone in the Atlanta area seemed to ask: “Would the sticker stick?” Did this 33-word disclaimer, which cautioned students about evolution, violate the US Constitution by “establishing religion”?

Yes, the stickers are an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, said Judge Cooper in his ruling. Therefore, the stickers must be removed from the textbooks.

In an Associated Press article (January 13) that was immediately picked up by dozens of news outlets from South Africa to South Dakota, Judge Cooper explained his decision in the following statement:

By denigrating evolution, the school board appears to be endorsing the well-known prevailing alternative theory, creationism or variations thereof, even though the sticker does not specifically reference any alternative theories [emphasis added].

That was last week. This week, it’s a different story. On January 17, the school board decided to appeal Judge Cooper’s decision, choosing to take the case to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. School board attorney Glenn Brock said he will request a delay in complying with the judge’s order to remove the stickers. As a result of the court’s bizarre ruling (including its comment that expressed concern about not wanting to upset those who hold evolutionary beliefs), the sticker, which features the following words, must be removed from the Cobb County high school biology textbooks:

This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.

Judge Cooper ruled that the stickers went against the First Amendment because they “convey a message of endorsement of religion.”

Jeffrey Selman, a parent of a Cobb County student, filed the suit (along with the American Civil Liberties Union) against the school board. (On the other hand, it should be noted that some 2,300 parents had petitioned in favor of the stickers as a way to help counter the nearly $8 million worth of new curricula that pushed Darwinism unchallenged). Mr. Selman told the Toronto Star that he “was not prepared to live in a theocracy where the views of a militant minority are foisted on everyone.”

Mr. Selman went on to say, “I was terrified about the future of the country I have to live in and my child has to live in. From the Bush White House to the evangelicals on the school board, they were taking away our freedoms.”

Michael Manely, the lawyer representing the parents who were against the stickers, told the Toronto Star, “This is a great day in history and a great day for freedom in our nation.” He added that Cobb County students will now “be permitted to learn science unadulterated by religious dogma.”

But was the judge’s decision really a setback for those who support open discussion of evolution and alternative explanations? One might think so based on some of the headlines from newspapers across the world (even a newspaper in the United Arab Emirates is reporting on this court case).

Dr. John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research, refuses to see this as a setback, telling the Toronto Star that this case reveals that “evolutionists are just very insecure.”

“That sticker did not teach creation or the biblical view of things. It just encouraged students to know that this is not an open-and-shut case,” Morris said.

Ken Ham, president of AiG-USA, commented: “This ruling by Judge Cooper is absolutely preposterous. Here you have a sticker that doesn’t mention God, prayer, the Bible, creation ...and it’s considered religious because the people behind it believe in God.”

Ham added: “So, even when you leave God out, leave creation out, and just have a sticker that talks about evolution, a judge considers that to be religious because the people that came up with it have a religious belief. Do you see the inconsistency here?”

Determining whether the sticker violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment presented Judge Cooper with many things to consider. First, Judge Cooper ruled back on March 31, 2004, that the sticker passed the first prong of the Lemon test, a method used to analyze whether an act of government is constitutional by meeting three criteria: 1) the act has a primarily secular purpose; 2) the primary effect of the act does not promote religion over nonreligion, or promote one religion over another or somehow serve as a government endorsement of religion; and 3) the act does not result in an excessive entanglement between church and state—last week’s ruling pertained to only the last two prongs of the Lemon test.

Yet the stickers were found to be unconstitutional despite a ruling that they are also “fostering critical thinking” about evolution and serve “a clearly secular purpose” (with the judge agreeing that the Cobb County school district had secular, not religious, reasons for adopting the sticker).

Mr. Seth Cooper, an attorney and legal analyst with the Discovery Institute, an Intelligent Design think tank, faulted the lead counsel for the school district, Linwood Gunn, for putting up “an incompetent defense.”5 During the November 2004 trial, the Institute issued a statement noting that Gunn decided not to have any scientists serve as rebuttal witnesses, despite the fact that dozens of Georgia scientists had submitted a “friend of the court” brief defending the district.5 (On a related note, in a brief submitted to the court last spring, the ACLU made the false claim that there are no scientists who dispute evolution and that those who dispute evolution do so only for religious purposes.)

“A vigorous defense of the sticker’s constitutionality would have focused upon the growing number of scientists who have raised scientific criticisms of aspects of neo-Darwinian and chemical evolutionary theories,” said Cooper.

Ham agreed, asking the question, “Is evolution so weak that it has to be legislated in order to protect it?”

Ham said he believes the battle in the public schools ultimately comes down to a spiritual and emotional issue, where there is no such thing as neutrality.

He explained, “When the public school says you have to teach every aspect of reality without any acknowledgement of God or the Bible, you’re saying that God has nothing to do with reality. This is not a neutral position towards religion. It’s actually a religious position that says that everything can be explained without God.”

Ham concluded with the general observation that the Bible tells us there is no such thing as being neutral. Luke 11:23 says a person is either for Christ or against Him. Thus the battle in America’s public schools is really a clash of worldviews—one explains life with God; and one, without God.

We will keep you posted on the progress of the appeal of the judge’s decision.


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Mr. Selman told the Toronto Star that he “was not prepared to live in a theocracy where the views of a militant minority are foisted on everyone.”

As opposed to the "militant minority" of atheists who want to force their anti-G-d doctrines down the throats of the vast majority of Americans who do believe in G-d?!

1 posted on 01/20/2005 10:22:28 AM PST by Tamar1973
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To: Tamar1973

Ditto!


2 posted on 01/20/2005 10:29:56 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Happy Inauguration Day, George W. Bush . Four more years ! Hail to the Chief !)
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To: Tamar1973

> "militant minority" of atheists who want to force their anti-G-d doctrines

Amazing. Simply amazing. Apparently, not putting "God did it" on everything is an act of militant atheism.


3 posted on 01/20/2005 10:30:53 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Tamar1973

"Evolution is a theory"

Of course! That is why it is call the Theory of Evolution. Creationists are finally finding out what we were taught 50 years ago.


4 posted on 01/20/2005 10:31:48 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Tamar1973

That ruling will be over-turned. There is no mention of "God" there, and in no way should "evelution" be a forced theory which in effect excludes all others.

Aliens brought us here. Probably because when they created us they found that we wouldn't obey their moral rules, had a tendancy to embrace stupid leftist marxist ideals which litered their nice planet with corpses so they kicked us off their planet.


5 posted on 01/20/2005 10:32:27 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: orionblamblam
Amazing. Simply amazing. Apparently, not putting "God did it" on everything is an act of militant atheism.

I have an acronym and two words for you: ACLU & Michael Newdow. That is all you need to know about how militant atheists feel about freedom of religious speech in the public sphere.

7 posted on 01/20/2005 10:33:38 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats-- PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Tamar1973

And how about the Militant Theists who want to impose religion onto the public sphere? This goofy sticker is a mild, yet amusing example. As there are no scientific theories that oppose evolution to explain biodiversity, all that's left is religion.


8 posted on 01/20/2005 10:37:58 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
This goofy sticker is a mild, yet amusing example.

This sticker doesn't mention G-d,Buddha,Mohammad, Allah, Ganesh, etc. even once. It's simply a disclaimer stating that they are not imposing evolutionary propaganda (which is more faith than real science anyway). If atheists are so insecure about their beliefs that they have to fight tooth and nail against a sticker which never mentions religion or G-d at all, that means that atheism will go the way of the dinosaur--extinct.

9 posted on 01/20/2005 10:41:15 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats-- PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Tamar1973
God made it rain. God raised up the sun this morning. God watched over the swearing in of George W. Bush.

But nobody thinks its a big deal if they don't talk that way in public schools. How come it's such a big deal that children be taught that "God created the separate living species". That's all Evolution is, a description of how species adapt over time. Why is THIS so important that we must say in public school that God did it?

When it rains, science classes are told that evaporation caused there to be water vapor and make clouds, and it condensed and fell as rain. Why aren't Christians howling that they must teach that "God made it rain"?

I just don't get how come people can't get it through their heads that God certianly has the power to have created Evolution, as all the massive amount of evidence collected in 200 years shows happened.

10 posted on 01/20/2005 10:46:07 AM PST by narby (If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.)
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To: orionblamblam

I think your statement is somewhat of an over-reaction.


11 posted on 01/20/2005 10:50:40 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: orionblamblam

"Apparently, not putting "God did it" on everything is an act of militant atheism."


Yep. You can smell the fear in posts like this.


12 posted on 01/20/2005 10:51:11 AM PST by Blzbba (Kill Saddam NOW.)
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To: orionblamblam

God has no religion.

"religion" actualy means 'to re-unite, re-link, create a tie with God.


13 posted on 01/20/2005 10:51:21 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Decoy

"Do Democrats really have any sort of argument... concept... idea that makes sense?"


I'm a lifelong Republican who agrees with evolution and doesn't want my tax dollars to support the forced teaching of Protestant Christianity (since Catholicism has no issues with evolution) to my kids.


14 posted on 01/20/2005 10:53:29 AM PST by Blzbba (Kill Saddam NOW.)
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To: orionblamblam

"As there are no scientific theories that oppose evolution to explain biodiversity, all that's left is religion. "



Good luck trying to introduce logic to Creationists...


15 posted on 01/20/2005 10:54:15 AM PST by Blzbba (Kill Saddam NOW.)
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To: Blzbba

Isn't the theory of evolution a 'religion' of sorts? it's a belief isn't it?
Why am I being forced anothers belief?


16 posted on 01/20/2005 10:54:43 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

"Isn't the theory of evolution a 'religion' of sorts?"

No. Nothing is worshipped.


17 posted on 01/20/2005 10:56:16 AM PST by Blzbba (Kill Saddam NOW.)
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To: Tamar1973
Well, I've said it before, I suppose I'll say it again. The placing of these stickers in the books initially was inappropriate - it is a waste of tax revenue, and is included within the very name of what it is expounding upon - the 'theory of evolution'. If a child is in school, in a science class, and the teacher hasn't taught the basic form and vocabulary of the scientific method - one of those being 'theory', the teacher should get canned. But this is America, where trying really really hard is the same thing as succeeding. or whatever.

My second problem is, once they've already wasted a grip of time and money, are they going to waste MORE by removing the stickers? Although they should have never been placed (they are redundant and pointless), removing them accomplishes absolutely nothing - it is still called a theory, if someone ISN'T using critical thinking skills its their own fault, and why should I have to pay for any of this lunacy.

Maybe I'm just a grump, but I'm sick of all the runaround that goes on in the court system. If someone wants to put stickers in books, let him do it to HIS books at HIS expense, and if someone wants to take stickers out of books, let THEM do it to THEIR books at THEIR expense. Thats what I'm really saying. This whole thing is retarded.

I don't care what the atheists do, I don't care what the christians do, I don't care what the jews or the muslims or the witches or the whatever else there is do, as long as it doesn't cost anyone any money they don't want to spend, and does not infringe on anyone's freedom. Grow a brain. Everyone.
18 posted on 01/20/2005 10:57:34 AM PST by Banach-Tarski (get US out of the UN)
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To: narby
by narby How come it's such a big deal...

That was my take when I first heard about the froufrah.   Then I had second thoughts and now I side with the school board.  I say that education is a local matter and we don't need some Clinton appointed federal judge deciding how a state approved curriculum should be presented.  

The book's author had a responsibility to explain a controversial subject in a manner that took local sensibilities into account.  He failed.  It can be done and there're others that can do it.  In the mean time the board was right in adding to the presentation as they found necessary to fit local conditions.

19 posted on 01/20/2005 10:58:49 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Tamar1973
It's simply a disclaimer stating that they are not imposing evolutionary propaganda

It would be so simple to disprove Evolution, or at least give it headaches. All you've got to do is find a fossil in the wrong place. Find a fossil of a new species buried with an old one, or a new species in an old layer, or vice versa. Perhaps you could show that nearly identical species had drastically different DNA, or many other biological problems. There are many many ways that Evolution could be proven wrong.

The reason I feel so confident in evolution, over almost any other scientific theory, is that it has been mercelessly attacked by people who have brains and money and time. It has been attacked for virtually it's entire existence. Yet in all that time, not one fossil out of place, or DNA sequence in error can be confirmed. Alleged, yes. Confirmed, no.

That is why I believe in Evolution.

How you square that with Genesis is your problem. But being as how there are two different creation stories with different sequences and time lines, I submit that it would be no problem for someone with an open mind.

20 posted on 01/20/2005 10:59:13 AM PST by narby (If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.)
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