Skip to comments.Cheney voices concern that Israel may attack Iran
Posted on 01/20/2005 1:01:34 PM PST by anotherview
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For Gen. David Ivry, with thanks and appreciation for the outstanding job he did on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981--which made our job much easier in Desert Storm.
Israel has numerous options. Option #1 would be to use its conventional and/or nuclear cruise missiles launched from its 3 submarines. Option #2 would be a direct air attack. Option #3 would be a commando raid (or series of raids). Option #4 would be an ICBM attack. Option #5 would be to finance a student uprising/coup, etc...
No, one nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of Iran.
Who is he talking to and exactly what is he saying?
Maybe the headline writer should have called it a warning to Iran rather than an expression of concern.
Iran has every intention of delivering just that.
The Israelis won't let them get the chance. They have anywhere from 200 to 400 nukes, including thermonuclear weapons (H-bombs). They also believe in the "Samson Option".
Is that concern or a hope?
I thought the same exact thing when I read the heading...before I saw your post.
I reckon option 2 would still be the most likely
It may be starting.
I agree..except look for the feint..With attention focused on Iran..we can take out Syria quickly, then encourage and aid the Iranian dissidents to toss out the mullahs..
It is not a good idea to shoot at aircraft while they are refueling from your own aerial tankers.
Same as ours. Paint is cheap.
See # 62.
I sure hope they do, and soon.
Good think I wasnt drinking when I read that line ;-);-);-);-);-);-)
I'd nominate that for QUOTE OF THE DAY!!
And a good plan it would be...getting to sound a lot like football...
I think that Israel does have the capability to do it - they have long-range fighter-bombers, and they also have more than enough bunker-busters. I'm sure that they also have excellent intelligence - better than ours on the human level, though less so from the technical standpoint, so they know where to drop packages.
However, in order to get to Iran, the IAF almost has to pass over Iraq. This means that we will know about it, and everyone in the world knows this. Despite Cheney's statement basically saying that Israel has the right to take a big hunk out of the mullah's collective asses, we can't very well say "Oh, did the IAF pass over territory we controlled? Damn, we had all our radars down for a software patch from Microsoft, and none of our planes were up, either, since all of the pilots had hangnails last night. Gee, what're the odds?" As such, the US will bear as much blame as Israel....
...which means that we either do it ourselves, or we do it in a joint op with Israel. I think that we're going to do it ourselves, right AFTER the 1/30 election in Iraq is over.
Why should this surprise anyone, let alone the Iranians ? They've announced their intentions to the world and their nukes are no longer a secret. Who could blame Israel for defending herself ?
However, in order to get to Iran, the IAF almost has to pass over Iraq.
Gee, thanks for throwing in Milwaukee in that (though, in truth, you can throw in any and every American city).
The liberals would blame Israel -- after all it is wrong to kill someone who only wants to kill you.
The liberals will also blame everyone -- and of course the liberals wanted to make peace with Hitler -as Dacahu was none of our business -- just like Stalin's gulags
There were anecdotal reports that this happened. There were reports of Israelis used planes with Iranian markings in the Iran Iraq war. I tended to doubt them at the time.
This is all Jimmah Carter's fault. Chicken poop.
What is the "Samson Option"?
Anyone know the troop levels of Iran's military?
I sure have a tough time deciding.
No, one nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of Iran.
It would be the end of Israel, since every Arab country that could would be sending planes and troops to attack those that survived. Knowing this, the Israeli leaders will not only put a crater full of radioactive slag, surrounded by a large glass parking lot, into every major Iranian population center, but the same will happen to EVERY major Arab population center.
I would also expect that the Aswan High Dam will be nuked, leaving a very large amount of radioactive water to flow rapidly down the Nile and into the Mediterranean. The Saudi and other Persian Gulf oil fields will also be attacked, possibly with Cobalt-60 encased bombs (which make it really "inconvenient" to visit an area for quite a number of decades). One wonders if Europe - especially Germany and France - and the states comprising the old Soviet Empire will be untouched.
You see, "Never Again!" isn't a complete thought. The complete thought is "Never again, but if again, then not for free." If Israel goes down, then the 10 plagues are going to look like a match next to a bonfire, and the recent tsunami will seem like someone got splashed by a glassfull of water. Hundreds of millions will die, and the collapse of the world economy and the starvation, disease and wars resulting therefrom will kill billions.
I think that Bush and Cheney know this, as have all American leaders since the '73 war. As such, while we may complain sometimes about Israeli actions, we won't allow Israel to either go down conventionally or be nuked - because we CAN'T afford to allow it. This is why, besides protecting ourselves and our direct interests, I believe the US will be stepping on the toes of a few mullahs within a few weeks (though definitely after the Iraqi elections).
I'm remembering Osirak, and thinking "hope".
"What is the "Samson Option"?"
It means if the Jews/Israel go, the arab/islamic world goes with it.
Going by way of Turkey would extend the round-trip range too far, and would also expose the attack force to Iranian radars (and, therefore, planes and AA missiles) for a far longer time period. Nix that idea.
Going by way of Saudi Arabia ain't happening, either, mainly because the Saudis have too many radars, several AWACs and way too many fighters for Israel to do it that way. Of course, if they did go through SA on both legs, they could say thanks to the Saudis for their airspace by dropping a few pigs on Mecca on the way home. :>)
I'll take Door #1, Monty, if Israel does it alone.
Or is the tail wagging the dog?
They didn't have to...we sold them a couple thousand a few months ago.
The sites in Iran are scattered and would have to be hit at the same time. Refueling the F16s could also be an issue.
Both issues go away when we look the other way.
I hope you are right on both accounts. I will search the net and try to locate the sale of those bombs .
There was a story posted in September. The sale could have taken place. Munitions sales tend to be low key
This is no feint.
If we want to roll over Syria, Assad can do nothing to stop us. We could roll an expedionary armored column around the Middle-East if we so desired, though we'd have to come back to various places that we had left...to re-administer justice at later times.
Lebanon is a more likely target, of course, and needs no such "feint" towards Iran, either. If we want to smash Hezbollah and Syrian forces in Lebanon, then they *will* be smashed, no "feinting" required.
No, VP Cheney's statement is a direct shot at Iran. This is clear language that everyone can understand; an important consideration when you are going to give the Iranians at least one more chance to peacefully do the right thing.
Right now, today, is the right time. Notice that *both* President Bush as well as VP Cheney have made strong statements that apply to Iran today.
Thus, Iran now faces the choice of either backing off of their al-qaeda/AIF support and ending their nuclear weapons program, or else feeling the combined wrath of the U.S. and Israel.
israel has 150 nukes according to CIA and 2-3 subs with 2nd strike capabilities,it would be terrible for a nuke over tel aviv,and I don't want it-- but it would mean the end of Arabs in the mid east
There's no mistaking similar remarks from the president and the vice president on this score. Iran wants its nuclear weaponry to be taken seriously and it is. I will be very surprised if the mullahs aren't next on the list, ours or Israel's. They're asking for it.
Don't forget the Seymour Hersh article.....there was a message in there.
My dog just picked up her head. Reckon she heard something?
how long does it take to repaint a fighter bomber?
or borrow one that we have been loaning them, for 'refit and training purposes'?
less than a day you say?
or perhaps they already got 'em ready to roll?
To me this means an Israeli attack is imminent. I see this as a PR move by the US to distance themselves from the inevitable, and probably true, accusation of complicity.
But I also agree with you observations
yeah I agree. This is really the green light.