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Cheney voices concern that Israel may attack Iran
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 20 January 2005 | JPOST.COM STAFF

Posted on 01/20/2005 1:01:34 PM PST by anotherview

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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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For Gen. David Ivry, with thanks and appreciation for the outstanding job he did on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981--which made our job much easier in Desert Storm.
Dick Cheney

51 posted on 01/20/2005 1:37:48 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: powderblue67
" Now they would have to fly over Jordan and Iraq. I can imagine Johnny Iraqi would kick up serious shit about it. What are Israelis capabilites for longer range missions anyone???"

Israel has numerous options. Option #1 would be to use its conventional and/or nuclear cruise missiles launched from its 3 submarines. Option #2 would be a direct air attack. Option #3 would be a commando raid (or series of raids). Option #4 would be an ICBM attack. Option #5 would be to finance a student uprising/coup, etc...

52 posted on 01/20/2005 1:37:48 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TheDon

No, one nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of Iran.


53 posted on 01/20/2005 1:37:50 PM PST by LiveFree99
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To: anotherview

Who is he talking to and exactly what is he saying?


54 posted on 01/20/2005 1:39:45 PM PST by DManA
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To: Allan
Did Cheney actually say anything to indicate "concern"? I suspect that that is journalistic (mis)interpretation.

Maybe the headline writer should have called it a warning to Iran rather than an expression of concern.

55 posted on 01/20/2005 1:40:27 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: TheDon
One nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of the state of Israel.

Iran has every intention of delivering just that.
The Israelis won't let them get the chance. They have anywhere from 200 to 400 nukes, including thermonuclear weapons (H-bombs). They also believe in the "Samson Option".

56 posted on 01/20/2005 1:40:57 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: notorious vrc

Is that concern or a hope?
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I thought the same exact thing when I read the heading...before I saw your post.



Me three


57 posted on 01/20/2005 1:41:16 PM PST by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: Southack

I reckon option 2 would still be the most likely


58 posted on 01/20/2005 1:41:29 PM PST by powderblue67
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To: Dark Wing

It may be starting.


59 posted on 01/20/2005 1:43:12 PM PST by Thud
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To: Dark Skies

I agree..except look for the feint..With attention focused on Iran..we can take out Syria quickly, then encourage and aid the Iranian dissidents to toss out the mullahs..


60 posted on 01/20/2005 1:44:08 PM PST by ken5050
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To: steveegg

It is not a good idea to shoot at aircraft while they are refueling from your own aerial tankers.


61 posted on 01/20/2005 1:44:14 PM PST by Thud
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To: powderblue67

Same as ours. Paint is cheap.


62 posted on 01/20/2005 1:45:22 PM PST by Thud
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To: Marano NYC

See # 62.


63 posted on 01/20/2005 1:46:04 PM PST by Thud
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To: anotherview

I sure hope they do, and soon.


64 posted on 01/20/2005 1:47:56 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Abathar
The leaders over there have puckered so tight by now when they break wind only the dogs can hear it.

Good think I wasnt drinking when I read that line ;-);-);-);-);-);-)

ROTFLMAO!!!!

I'd nominate that for QUOTE OF THE DAY!!

65 posted on 01/20/2005 1:48:31 PM PST by prophetic ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."--Dan Rather)
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To: ken5050
I agree..except look for the feint..With attention focused on Iran..we can take out Syria quickly, then encourage and aid the Iranian dissidents to toss out the mullahs.

And a good plan it would be...getting to sound a lot like football...

66 posted on 01/20/2005 1:48:58 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: anotherview
"Dick Cheney then went on to accounce joint USAF/IAF exercises called Operation Share GPS Targeting Data".

:)
67 posted on 01/20/2005 1:50:34 PM PST by Daus
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To: Marano NYC; anotherview
The Israelis do not have the capability to do this. I wish they did but it is up to us.

I think that Israel does have the capability to do it - they have long-range fighter-bombers, and they also have more than enough bunker-busters. I'm sure that they also have excellent intelligence - better than ours on the human level, though less so from the technical standpoint, so they know where to drop packages.

However, in order to get to Iran, the IAF almost has to pass over Iraq. This means that we will know about it, and everyone in the world knows this. Despite Cheney's statement basically saying that Israel has the right to take a big hunk out of the mullah's collective asses, we can't very well say "Oh, did the IAF pass over territory we controlled? Damn, we had all our radars down for a software patch from Microsoft, and none of our planes were up, either, since all of the pilots had hangnails last night. Gee, what're the odds?" As such, the US will bear as much blame as Israel....

...which means that we either do it ourselves, or we do it in a joint op with Israel. I think that we're going to do it ourselves, right AFTER the 1/30 election in Iraq is over.

68 posted on 01/20/2005 1:53:02 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: SJackson
We have no choice -- either we hit the nuke factories or allow Israel to hit the Nuke factories or one day New York, Chicago, LA, Milwaukee etc will go up in a mushroom cloud.

Better to destroy the enemy now than face a monster later.
69 posted on 01/20/2005 1:54:44 PM PST by GaryMontana (The future belongs to the bold, not the cowards who hide under rags (ragheads)!)
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To: anotherview

Why should this surprise anyone, let alone the Iranians ? They've announced their intentions to the world and their nukes are no longer a secret. Who could blame Israel for defending herself ?


70 posted on 01/20/2005 1:57:19 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Ancesthntr
If it's not Iraq, it'll have to be Saudi Arabia or Turkey. I bet they'll pick Door #1. ;>)

However, in order to get to Iran, the IAF almost has to pass over Iraq.

71 posted on 01/20/2005 1:57:32 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: GaryMontana

Gee, thanks for throwing in Milwaukee in that (though, in truth, you can throw in any and every American city).


72 posted on 01/20/2005 1:57:48 PM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: Ancesthntr
That is accurate the planes would have to pass Jordan as well. I do not think they have developed bunker busters yet .This is not beyond their capability.
The sites in Iran are scattered and would have to be hit at the same time. Refueling the F16s could also be an issue.
73 posted on 01/20/2005 2:01:17 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The liberals would blame Israel -- after all it is wrong to kill someone who only wants to kill you.

The liberals will also blame everyone -- and of course the liberals wanted to make peace with Hitler -as Dacahu was none of our business -- just like Stalin's gulags


74 posted on 01/20/2005 2:04:33 PM PST by GaryMontana (The future belongs to the bold, not the cowards who hide under rags (ragheads)!)
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To: Thud

There were anecdotal reports that this happened. There were reports of Israelis used planes with Iranian markings in the Iran Iraq war. I tended to doubt them at the time.


75 posted on 01/20/2005 2:06:04 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: anotherview

This is all Jimmah Carter's fault. Chicken poop.

What is the "Samson Option"?


76 posted on 01/20/2005 2:07:39 PM PST by garyhope
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To: GaryMontana

Anyone know the troop levels of Iran's military?


77 posted on 01/20/2005 2:07:42 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: anotherview
Is that concern or a hope?

I sure have a tough time deciding.

78 posted on 01/20/2005 2:08:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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To: LiveFree99; TheDon
One nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of the state of Israel.

No, one nuke in Tel Aviv would be the end of Iran.

It would be the end of Israel, since every Arab country that could would be sending planes and troops to attack those that survived. Knowing this, the Israeli leaders will not only put a crater full of radioactive slag, surrounded by a large glass parking lot, into every major Iranian population center, but the same will happen to EVERY major Arab population center.

I would also expect that the Aswan High Dam will be nuked, leaving a very large amount of radioactive water to flow rapidly down the Nile and into the Mediterranean. The Saudi and other Persian Gulf oil fields will also be attacked, possibly with Cobalt-60 encased bombs (which make it really "inconvenient" to visit an area for quite a number of decades). One wonders if Europe - especially Germany and France - and the states comprising the old Soviet Empire will be untouched.

You see, "Never Again!" isn't a complete thought. The complete thought is "Never again, but if again, then not for free." If Israel goes down, then the 10 plagues are going to look like a match next to a bonfire, and the recent tsunami will seem like someone got splashed by a glassfull of water. Hundreds of millions will die, and the collapse of the world economy and the starvation, disease and wars resulting therefrom will kill billions.

I think that Bush and Cheney know this, as have all American leaders since the '73 war. As such, while we may complain sometimes about Israeli actions, we won't allow Israel to either go down conventionally or be nuked - because we CAN'T afford to allow it. This is why, besides protecting ourselves and our direct interests, I believe the US will be stepping on the toes of a few mullahs within a few weeks (though definitely after the Iraqi elections).

79 posted on 01/20/2005 2:10:13 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: anotherview

I'm remembering Osirak, and thinking "hope".


80 posted on 01/20/2005 2:10:39 PM PST by Darksheare (Taglines shipped while you wait! (Quality may vary, actual size not known. May differ from image.)
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To: anotherview
"If, in fact, the Israelis became convinced the Iranians had significant nuclear capability, given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, the Israelis might well decide to act first"

Well DUH!

81 posted on 01/20/2005 2:11:40 PM PST by patriot_wes
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To: garyhope

"What is the "Samson Option"?"

It means if the Jews/Israel go, the arab/islamic world goes with it.


82 posted on 01/20/2005 2:15:17 PM PST by Kornev
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To: Ready4Freddy
If it's not Iraq, it'll have to be Saudi Arabia or Turkey. I bet they'll pick Door #1. ;>)

Going by way of Turkey would extend the round-trip range too far, and would also expose the attack force to Iranian radars (and, therefore, planes and AA missiles) for a far longer time period. Nix that idea.

Going by way of Saudi Arabia ain't happening, either, mainly because the Saudis have too many radars, several AWACs and way too many fighters for Israel to do it that way. Of course, if they did go through SA on both legs, they could say thanks to the Saudis for their airspace by dropping a few pigs on Mecca on the way home. :>)

I'll take Door #1, Monty, if Israel does it alone.

83 posted on 01/20/2005 2:18:10 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: anotherview
Why doesn't he just tell Sharon to cool it?

Or is the tail wagging the dog?

84 posted on 01/20/2005 2:19:10 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Marano NYC
I do not think they have developed bunker busters yet .

They didn't have to...we sold them a couple thousand a few months ago.

The sites in Iran are scattered and would have to be hit at the same time. Refueling the F16s could also be an issue.

Both issues go away when we look the other way.

85 posted on 01/20/2005 2:20:44 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr

I hope you are right on both accounts. I will search the net and try to locate the sale of those bombs .


86 posted on 01/20/2005 2:28:04 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: Marano NYC

http://www.ccmep.org/2004_articles/palestine/092104_israel_to_buy_500_bunkerbuster.htm


87 posted on 01/20/2005 2:32:35 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr

There was a story posted in September. The sale could have taken place. Munitions sales tend to be low key


88 posted on 01/20/2005 2:32:42 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: ken5050; Dog
"I agree..except look for the feint..With attention focused on Iran..we can take out Syria quickly, then encourage and aid the Iranian dissidents to toss out the mullahs.."

This is no feint.

If we want to roll over Syria, Assad can do nothing to stop us. We could roll an expedionary armored column around the Middle-East if we so desired, though we'd have to come back to various places that we had left...to re-administer justice at later times.

Lebanon is a more likely target, of course, and needs no such "feint" towards Iran, either. If we want to smash Hezbollah and Syrian forces in Lebanon, then they *will* be smashed, no "feinting" required.

No, VP Cheney's statement is a direct shot at Iran. This is clear language that everyone can understand; an important consideration when you are going to give the Iranians at least one more chance to peacefully do the right thing.

Right now, today, is the right time. Notice that *both* President Bush as well as VP Cheney have made strong statements that apply to Iran today.

Thus, Iran now faces the choice of either backing off of their al-qaeda/AIF support and ending their nuclear weapons program, or else feeling the combined wrath of the U.S. and Israel.

89 posted on 01/20/2005 2:37:55 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TheDon

israel has 150 nukes according to CIA and 2-3 subs with 2nd strike capabilities,it would be terrible for a nuke over tel aviv,and I don't want it-- but it would mean the end of Arabs in the mid east


90 posted on 01/20/2005 2:45:14 PM PST by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: Southack

There's no mistaking similar remarks from the president and the vice president on this score. Iran wants its nuclear weaponry to be taken seriously and it is. I will be very surprised if the mullahs aren't next on the list, ours or Israel's. They're asking for it.


91 posted on 01/20/2005 2:45:35 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Southack

Don't forget the Seymour Hersh article.....there was a message in there.


92 posted on 01/20/2005 2:48:29 PM PST by Dog
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To: Abathar
:-) LOL!

My dog just picked up her head. Reckon she heard something?

93 posted on 01/20/2005 2:49:09 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: sheik yerbouty

roflmao.

very nice.


94 posted on 01/20/2005 2:52:19 PM PST by recalcitrant (who took the cork off my lunch?)
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To: Thud

how long does it take to repaint a fighter bomber?
or borrow one that we have been loaning them, for 'refit and training purposes'?

less than a day you say?
or perhaps they already got 'em ready to roll?


95 posted on 01/20/2005 2:57:22 PM PST by recalcitrant (who took the cork off my lunch?)
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To: anotherview

To me this means an Israeli attack is imminent. I see this as a PR move by the US to distance themselves from the inevitable, and probably true, accusation of complicity.


96 posted on 01/20/2005 3:11:06 PM PST by dervish (Europe can go to Islam)
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To: Kornev
What is the "Samson Option"?"

It means if the Jews/Israel go, the arab/islamic world goes with it.


I always thought that it meant that they would use nukes on their own territory if they were being over run

But I also agree with you observations

97 posted on 01/20/2005 3:11:15 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: oceanview

yeah I agree. This is really the green light.


98 posted on 01/20/2005 3:13:53 PM PST by dervish (Europe can go to Islam)
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To: traumer
I think, that is what the US and Israel was waiting for, to wait until AFTER the election, and Inauguration to work on doing anything about IRAN.
The UN is busy now with the relief efforts in the Tsunami hit areas, and now, the US can focus on IRAN now.
99 posted on 01/20/2005 3:22:23 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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