Escape from the universe - [wild, but fun, speculations from physicist Michio Kaku]

Prospect Magazine (U.K.) ^ | February 2005 issue | Michio Kaku

[RightWhale]

Definitely cultivating the Einstein 'look'.

[orionblamblam]

> A major flaw in science, as I see it, is that there must not be any supernatural forces if they are judging or intelligent, but there can be supernatural forces if they are dumb.

Untrue. The supernatural, whether smart like a monkey or dumb like a chimp, is not *precluded* in science. It is, however, not a good answer for things that can be answered as well with purely natural forces.

What makes your car go? The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons? Or little invisible demons? Science does not say the latter is impossible, just that the former is vastly more likely.

[kipita]

"God vs. Satan", "Good(doing what is difficult) vs. Evil (doing what is easy)", "Electrons vs. Protons", "Evolution vs. Entropy" "String Theory", "Other Dimensions", "Dark Forces(73%) vs. Life", "Yin Yang Theory", etc.

Seems as though there are opposite forces everywhere at every level.

[beezdotcom]

Yes, but how to escape a dying multiverse? Why is nobody thinking about THIS problem?

[RightWhale]

Cosmology theory is getting to the point of combining Hindu, Buddhist, and Christian/Islamic/Jewish cosmology in a general cosmological proof. A Grand Unified Theory of everything--everybody is partially right.

[Servant of the 9]

Not exactly a new idea, see:

Tau Zero
by Pol Anderson
1970

So9

[snarks_when_bored]

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[RightWhale]

They are, apparently. Our task is to spread liberty and freedom to every dark corner of the multiverse. Whether we would want to escape the multiverse in a few trillion^trillion years would not be an urgent question.

[snarks_when_bored]

If one believes that life and civilization arise naturally, then there is no need to take extraordinary steps to (re)create or preserve them.

But there's always that nagging little doubt, the contemplation of which induces a shudder (or ought to):

What if this cosmos, our current home, is the one and only cosmos that has ever been or will ever be?

[Servant of the 9]

A major flaw in science, as I see it, is that there must not be any supernatural forces if they are judging or intelligent, but there can be supernatural forces if they are dumb.

Wrong.
It's not a flaw, it's the definition of science.

Science is the study of what happens when there are no supernatural forces involved.
If supernatural forces are involved, then it is Theology.

So9

[Question_Assumptions]

Probes sent through a black hole may settle some unsolved questions.

Not going to happen. Between the tidal forces, time dilation and other facts, nothing worth sending will survive the trip.

[RightWhale]

Protect the thalamus. Patience.

[Strategerist]

What makes your car go? The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons? Or little invisible demons? Science does not say the latter is impossible, just that the former is vastly more likely.

My car is obviously far too complex to be driven by combusted gases pushing on pistons. Therefore it must be directed by little invisible demons.

[snarks_when_bored]

Not to worry...Poor Tom's not really all that cold—yet.

[hershey]

So when the US gets sick of being kicked around in this universe, we can build a spaceship, find a black hole, and leave. Sounds like a plan.

[snarks_when_bored]

Yes, but how to escape a dying multiverse? Why is nobody thinking about THIS problem?

Get to work!

[nomorelurker]

I read that many years ago. If I recall correctly it's the story where "our heroes" end up destroying many other civilizations to escape the end of the universe.

[Tallguy]

My head hurts....

[Centurion2000]

Although seemingly fantastic, this scenario is consistent with the known laws of physics and biology, and is within the capabilities of a Type III civilisation. There is nothing in the rules of science to prevent the regeneration of an advanced civilisation from the molecular level. For a dying civilisation trapped in a freezing universe, this may be the last hope.

If there was only a gateway for atomic sized materials you can send INFORMATION and replicate your civilization, members, history and data on the other side as well.

[RobRoy]

>>The universe is destined to end. Before it does, could an advanced civilisation escape via a "wormhole" into a parallel universe? <<

Christians call it the "Rapture."