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NOW Says Harvard President Lawrence Summers Should Resign
MND NEWSWIRE ^ | January 21, 2005

Posted on 01/21/2005 10:39:10 AM PST by presidio9

The National Organization for Women has called for the resignation of Harvard University President Lawrence Summers.

Summers offended feminists last week when he suggested that "innate" differences in men and women may help explain why men dominate math, sciences and engineering.

But according to NOW, the long history of male domination in these fields is attributable to "sexism" and other social constructs.

CALMING RUFFLED FEATHERS Summers, the former US Treasury Secretary from the Clinton administration, has offered a series of increasingly contrite apologies to those whose sensitivites were upset by his observations. In his third official apology, posted Wednesday night on the Harvard website, Summers insisted that he "deeply" regreted "the impact" of his comments.

"Summers' suggestion that women are inferior to men in their ability to excel at math and science is more than an example of personal sexism, it is a clue to why women have not been more fully accepted and integrated into the tenured faculty at Harvard since he has been president," said NOW President Kim Gandy in a press release.

PRESSURE FOR POLITICAL PROMOTIONS In their press release, NOW said they planed to begin "watching" Harvard University to make sure they promote women to faculty positions in math and science regardless of their ability: "Will Harvard encourage women as students in the 'hard' sciences, promote more women in faculty positions, and step up the recruitment of women for teaching positions in math and science departments? Or will Harvard be thwarted in achieving these goals with Summers at the helm?"

UNFORGIVABLE IDEAS "Apologies are not enough," said Gandy. "Summers must go, and Harvard must start with a clean slate."

GIRLS SMARTER THAN BOYS In a related story, in Britain, Minister of Parliament and Chairman of the Commons Educational Committee Barry Sheerman insisted that women are more intelligent than men, and said that the government should not become "obsessed" with boys failing in school. "We should celebrate this, shouldn't we?" said Sheerman. "The brightest kids are coming through and they happen to be women."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; militantfeminism; nags
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1 posted on 01/21/2005 10:39:10 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

They're eating their own!


2 posted on 01/21/2005 10:40:01 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: presidio9

SHUT UP, GANDY....GO FIX ME A CHICKEN POT PIE!!


3 posted on 01/21/2005 10:40:28 AM PST by NRA1995 ("Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan & Ah think yer gonna fin'lly understand")
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To: presidio9

His real mistake was to apologise because it will never be enough. He took that first step onto the slide down he goes ...


4 posted on 01/21/2005 10:40:59 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: presidio9

but, if he groped someone (ie: once) or had raped a woman but it was some years ago, he could keep his job?


5 posted on 01/21/2005 10:41:28 AM PST by C210N
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To: presidio9
But according to NOW, the long history of male domination in these fields is attributable to "sexism" and other social constructs.

This same "sexism" is also responsible for the fact that of the participants in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and Major League Baseball, approximately 100.000% are males. < /sarcasm >

6 posted on 01/21/2005 10:42:36 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: presidio9
Summers' suggestion that women are inferior to men in their ability to excel at math and science

He made no such suggestion. He suggested that innate differences in the general population of men vs. women may mean that FEWER women than men are able and inclined to excel in these fields, and that this might explain the lower percentage of women in the upper echelons of these fields. He did not suggest that the women who excel in these fields are inferior to the men who excel in these fields.

7 posted on 01/21/2005 10:42:39 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: presidio9

Men didn't need laws, commissions or quotas to 'oppress' women. If they're smarter than us, why don't they just take what they want and quit whining? (sarcasm)


8 posted on 01/21/2005 10:43:24 AM PST by Spok
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To: GovernmentShrinker

FUR SHUR the ol'gals in NOW are incapable of working in serious research science.


9 posted on 01/21/2005 10:44:51 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: presidio9

Virtually the entire Harvard staff should resign.


10 posted on 01/21/2005 10:46:06 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: presidio9

NOW are a bunch of sexless, man hating, witches!

Lawrence Summers pointed out the obvious, men and women are different and some women just can't cut it, plain and simple. Why is NOW so offended??? Perhaps if they looked past themselves, step out of denial, they would see Summers has a point.


11 posted on 01/21/2005 10:46:28 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: NonValueAdded

"His real mistake was to apologise because it will never be enough. He took that first step onto the slide down he goes ..."

Agreed, he had NOTHING to apologize for, why can't people just accept the truth for what it is and get over themselves.


12 posted on 01/21/2005 10:47:25 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: C210N

...or taken advantage of a subordinate intern? That's okay.


13 posted on 01/21/2005 10:47:53 AM PST by Lekker 1 (A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul [G.B. Shaw])
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To: Lekker 1
...or taken advantage of a subordinate intern? That's okay

Taking advantage of an intern was the Republican's sole reason for impeaching the first black president.

14 posted on 01/21/2005 10:49:53 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

...well, so much for academic freedom as well as free speech!


15 posted on 01/21/2005 10:51:56 AM PST by meandog (qu"Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: presidio9

OK, I dare you to post that picture of the two young feminists with the unshaved armpits and words on their bellies. That's what I think of when I see the word NOW.


16 posted on 01/21/2005 10:52:23 AM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

that is soooooo right..........he wasn't expressing his own views except to try and throw out a debate.....these libs are cry baby alarmists who get their feelings hurt awfully easy...........God I hate "PC"


17 posted on 01/21/2005 10:54:26 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: presidio9

If ever there were an irrelevant bunch of nobodies....yet these witches stood by and did nothing throughout the Xlinton dictatorship.


18 posted on 01/21/2005 10:54:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: presidio9

"Summers insisted that he "deeply" regreted "the impact" of his comments."

HAHAHAHA!!!

When someone vociferously shows hurt or, more specifically, offense by something I firmly believe I needed to say, I learned a decade ago a response similar to him:

"Gee, I'm sorry you feel that way."

I think I may like this guy.


19 posted on 01/21/2005 10:54:30 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: NRA1995

ROFLMAO.........good one


20 posted on 01/21/2005 10:55:06 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: presidio9

NOW should shuddup until they give a better response to Bill Clintoons rape allegations.

"Well, his policies were good for women" is their current stance on that issue, I believe.


21 posted on 01/21/2005 10:56:23 AM PST by Mr. K (all your tagline are belong to us)
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To: NonValueAdded

She didn't really apologise. She is basically saying, "gee, I'm sorrry that my pointing out that your nose looks like a potatoe made you eat a whole half gallon of ice cream."


22 posted on 01/21/2005 10:56:58 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: presidio9

They're hoping Lynn Stewart will be acquitted and they can hire her instead of Summers.


23 posted on 01/21/2005 10:57:21 AM PST by OldFriend (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: presidio9

Of course there are differences between men and women. He did not say that all women who are accepted into those fields only get there because of something like "affirmative action". He did not say that men are always better at math and science. He said fewer women were in those fields. That is true. Women are better at language and art, men are better at math and science. It's a left brain-right brain thing, and it's true. Put me up against a rocket scientist on a grammar test and I guarantee I will do better.

As for NOW, they are no better than the ACLU or the NAACP. They bitch when it suits them, and it is rarely important. Used to be they complained about the treatment of women in Afghanistan as one of the worst human rights violations on the face of the planet. Now that women have actually been able to vote, and even hold office, they don't mention it. God forbid they would have to admit that Bush has done something good. Methinks they are one of the many vocal minority groups, when in truth they represent very few of the people for whom they claim to be fighting. They certainly do not speak for me. I think they even went so far as to assist in the defense of that horrifying excuse for a human in Texas who murdered all of her children.


25 posted on 01/21/2005 10:57:55 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soilent green is made of liberals...)
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To: presidio9

It would be a great injustice if the feminist thought police succeed in stifling freedom of academic inquiry and expression.


26 posted on 01/21/2005 11:00:03 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: RobRoy

She? I meant Summers should never have apologised (hence the "he"). I could care less what a NAG has to say.


27 posted on 01/21/2005 11:00:35 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: presidio9
Taking advantage of an intern was the Republican's sole reason for impeaching the first black president.

Silly me, and here I thought it was because he lied to a Federal Grand Jury while under oath (perjury) thus committing a felony.

Regards,
GtG

PS That that is, is, that that is not, is not. Is that it? It is!

28 posted on 01/21/2005 11:01:37 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: presidio9

Too bad that he just didn't perjure himself in testimony as a defendant in a sexual harrassment suit. NOW's demonstrated standards suggest that if he did, they would support him as a qualified candidate for president of the US.


29 posted on 01/21/2005 11:02:17 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: presidio9

What Fred sez about this (and a very good read). It even contains statistics:

Teacheresses Against Boy Children

Take Away Reason And Accountability...



I've been consulting with the National Football League. I want to learn how to dropkick a radical feminist. It's harder than it looks. They aren't real aerodynamic, so it's a bear to get a good spiral. Hang time is better with the scrawny ones, but you don't get much velocity.

I'm prepared to practice.

What put a bur in my sock was some hair-ball teacher lady in California who I found on the Web. She was doing her level best, which was probably pretty good, to make being a schoolboy into a social defect and a treatable condition. This is the default position in schools today. One hears constantly that boys don't do well in school. They don't sit still. They aren't worth a damn. Maleness is a condition to be cured, and probably a Personality Disorder.

A while back I encountered a teacher wearing a button, "So many men, so little intelligence." (Clever, Sweet Potato. Maybe you'll be the first female chess grandmaster since Newton's wife invented calculus.) Want her teaching your son?

This hostility to boys comes out of feminism, which is the belief that if you can't do squat yourself, keep anybody else from succeeding, and that way you'll look good by comparison.

I'm serious as infected melanoma about the default hostility. The teacheresses do not like boys. Here's a typical example from the schools of Fairfax Country, right outside of the Yankee Capital:

"Various studies indicate that boys are less likely than girls to go to college and have lower educational aspirations. Boys receive lower grades, are more likely than girls to be disengaged from school, and are more likely to view school as a hostile environment. . . Boys are more likely to be suspended or expelled. Boys are more likely to be held back or to drop out of school. Boys are much more likely than girls to be placed on drugs like Ritalin. Boys are more likely to be disciplined by teachers and administrators."

All true. As it happens, the academic sisterhood does forget to tell you a few things about the stupidity of boys. Let me give Sweet Potato something to ponder while she chews her cud.

In 1999, the male average on the math SATs was 531. The female was 495. That's not a trivial difference, sisterhood.

Verbal scores? Males 509, females 502. The boys are ahead in both, despite fidgeting, skipping school, and fighting.

A case, at least partly legitimate, can be made that, because more girls than boys take the tests, (563,000 boys and 657,000 girls) more dumb girls take it and bring down the female average.

OK. Let's look at the numbers of kids in 1999 making 800s, the highest possible score.

In math: Boys, 4815. Girls, 1611.

Now, Sweet Potato, is one of those numbers larger than the other? Think carefully. Take your time. Stomp once for yes. . . .

Ah, but girls, we all think we know, are better verbally, so it shouldn't surprise one to find far more girls than boys making Verbal 800s.

Boys with 800 Verbals: 3087. Girls: 2828. And more girls take the test.

So many men, so little. . .

Do you suspect that the SATs are crooked? Biased against girls? Well, let's look at the Graduate Record Exams. Here is a list of intended subjects in grad school in which men have a higher combined math and verbal score than women: Business, Education, Engineering, Humanities and Arts, Life Science, Physical Science, Social Science, Other Fields.

Here is a list of intended subjects in which women have the higher combined scores:

Uh. . . heh. . .ahhh. . .

Urg.

Not one field.

Putting it simply enough for the purplest-haired Lesbian, in the higher ranges of intelligence, boys blow girls out of the water. It isn't even close. And everyone who works in the field knows it.

Now, the polite thing would be not to mention these awkwardnesses. Why offend women?

If this increasingly sorry country decided things honestly, on individual merit, and didn't give in to ratbag feminists who want to stick their knives in anything male, including children, I'd keep my mouth diplomatically shut. But the ratbags are there. And they're doing all they can to turn boys into sexless, drugged-up, academically crippled zombies.

Why the dislike of boys? Simple. Feminism isn't about fairness. Sure, once it was, when the questions were equal pay and opportunity and so on. Today, feminism is about (1) revenge and (2) power. Men, always fools where women are involved, make the mistake of thinking that reason and good will must be in there somewhere. They aren't. Feminists want to win. Period.

Do they really think women can hack it in ground combat? Of course they don't. They're zealots, not fools. They resent hell out of what was a masculine culture that didn't want women around, and in fact regarded them as militarily useless. They hate the military, hate its attitudes, and delight in shoving women down the throats of the generals.

The pattern never fails. When they want to persecute "deadbeat dads," and humiliate them, and bankrupt them, do you think they're really concerned about "the best interest of the children"? Be serious. Ever hear a feminist criticize unmarried brood mares who drop kids by the dozen and can't raise them?

No. They glorify illegitimacy, which is death to kids, especially in the ghetto, and advocate every measure to promote it -- because illegitimacy reduces the role of men. They don't care about kids. The vast majority belong in Holland, holding back water, and figure the only good father is a turkey baster. They hate men. With whom, in a fair fight, they can't compete. And they know it. Which is why they hate them.

Why do heterosexual teachers buy into hurting boys? Intellectually, teachers fall between education theorists and bright cocker spaniels. (Probably closer to the education theorists. The AKC has been doing wonders with spaniels.) If you think I'm kidding look at the GREs for education majors, whose scores are the lowest of all fields, and remember that these are the smart ones.

Not being terribly bright, they are susceptible to progressive thought, which they understand no better than do progressives. They are not well educated, have little notion what education really is, but dimly resent it. The rambunctiousness of boys is merely a nuisance to them, not a part of the human condition -- and do you have any idea of the withering scorn a boy kid of fifteen, with an IQ of 160, directs toward a teacher with an IQ of 95? A bright girl will disguise her scorn. A boy's stands out like a weasel in a punch bowl.

Resentment and revenge. Bye. I've got dropkicking practice.


30 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:33 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: All

Eventually everybody {even Liberals} will employ the Hootie Johnson technique of dealing with these extortionists. Then, at long last, we'll put an end to the plague of political correctness.


31 posted on 01/21/2005 11:06:16 AM PST by Cedric
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To: presidio9

For once, I agree with NOW.

This man is a neanderthal - period.


32 posted on 01/21/2005 11:06:23 AM PST by Dashing Dasher ("If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil." (Larry the Cable Guy))
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To: teenyelliott
He said fewer women were in those fields. That is true. Women are better at language and art, men are better at math and science

Are women less capable in math or less interested in it? He doesn't clarify ...

33 posted on 01/21/2005 11:08:22 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

No, I have it on good confidence that it was just about sex. Bill Mahr and Whoopie Goldberg both told me so.


34 posted on 01/21/2005 11:10:50 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: NRA1995

I couldn't do this now, but it was funny in 1984:

I worked at Boeing and I was in a conference room of about 8 workmates waiting for a guy to show up at the meeting. We were five minutes late and you could look out the window (we were three stories up) and see him walking into the building.

Anyway, there was this middle aged "man-hater" type lesbian on the team, complete with 'I support the ERA' bumper sticker on her hatchback, and we all sort of discussed whether we should start or wait for him. She wanted to start and I wanted to wait.

Very little debate happened and I just said, "we'll wait for him." S

She sait to me, "why should you decide."

I said, "Because I am the man."

Ah, the good old days, when men were men, without the fear of the nanny state. 'Come to think of it, I still don't have that fear.

Oh, it got some good laughs, but people were already learning to sound "nervous" about some things. Not me, not yet.


35 posted on 01/21/2005 11:11:13 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: presidio9
We've seen this pattern time and time again, and we should understand it by now - it is a NOW power play, they want to see if they can use raw political power to influence an event - flexing their muscles so that others heed and fear them.

That's all there is to it - it has nothing to do, really, with Summers, what he said, or advancement of women's issues.

Sometimes this strategy backfires, like it did in the California recall election, and like it did in the November presidential election. As such, it is a risky maneuver - it is a significant force multiplier if it succeeds, but in the event it fails, then folks tend to start to think about how little support NOW really has from the general population.

I have observed so many times that politicians shy away from anything that might offend the fems - not that they agree and support the fem issues, but because they don't want to have the harpies organizing demonstrations (and expressing the predicable and tiresome "outrage") against them.

Most pols, whether dem or rep, lib or con, have decided that this is not the hill they want to die on.
36 posted on 01/21/2005 11:11:28 AM PST by Fido969
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To: RobRoy

I wouldn't try that in one of my meetings....


37 posted on 01/21/2005 11:12:52 AM PST by Dashing Dasher ("If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil." (Larry the Cable Guy))
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To: Dashing Dasher

>>This man is a neanderthal - period.

He may just be a "reasonable" man.

Read my post 30...


38 posted on 01/21/2005 11:13:10 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

>> Are women less capable in math or less interested in it? He doesn't clarify ...<<

Post 30 does.


39 posted on 01/21/2005 11:16:30 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: Pyro7480

LOL....I was going to write Summers a letter and suggest he get some B*LLS....but, hey, may as well let them destroy themselves!!!


40 posted on 01/21/2005 11:18:38 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: NonValueAdded
His real mistake was to apologise because it will never be enough. He took that first step onto the slide down he goes ...

Sad but true.

Now the PC sharks sense weakness and will continue to circle him until he's done for.

If he believes in what he said--and I think he does--he should stand his ground, which might well spark a public debate on the subject.

He might still lose his job, but at least he and his ideas would be respected.

Spineless academic--these are women, for Pete's sake!

Stand on your hind legs and fight back instead of groveling.

41 posted on 01/21/2005 11:18:57 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Dashing Dasher

I wouldn't now either. Fortunately, my meetings are ALL MEN. You have no idea how verbally freeing it can be. Meetings are a real joy for the first time in my 22 years in programming. Guys have banter, but we get to the point and there is no fluffy stuff. We also don't have to be nearly so "diplomatic" every time we wish to espouse a point.


42 posted on 01/21/2005 11:20:10 AM PST by RobRoy ("I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.")
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To: Dashing Dasher
This man is a neanderthal - period.

He must be a neanderthal, because a real man wouldn't grovel when he knows he's right.

43 posted on 01/21/2005 11:20:39 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I don't think the clarification would matter. I think both are true. Most men are better than most women in those fields. More men are interested in those fields than women. Never can you say "all", and he didn't. Of course there are women who do excel in those areas. It is not as though we still put up with the "Now Suzy, it's cute that you like science, but don't you think you should be a housewife and let the men handle the hard things?" attitude. Women can do whatever they want to do, just like all minorities in this country.


44 posted on 01/21/2005 11:25:07 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soilent green is made of liberals...)
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To: RobRoy

It's simpler than that:

If women were equal to men--then why after a million years aren't they equal?

They even outnumber men, and they still complain that men control them.


45 posted on 01/21/2005 11:26:10 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: presidio9

Why should he? He apologized. When they call for the resignation of Ted Rall, Sly Sylvester,etc. I'll consider their opinions worthy of my attention.


46 posted on 01/21/2005 11:30:25 AM PST by cyborg
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To: presidio9

Kim Gandy = Number One NAG HAG.


47 posted on 01/21/2005 11:31:57 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: presidio9

what about the theory that people who have descended from the Incas are better at math...? or that black people have a better aptitude at computers... ?

I mean, debate the issue... but don't call for a man's resignation over this.

interesting to see that NOW has finally gone after someone from the clinton years.

nick



48 posted on 01/21/2005 11:40:23 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: C210N

"but, if he groped someone (ie: once) or had raped a woman but it was some years ago, he could keep his job?"

NOW recognized that as consensual sex.

nick


49 posted on 01/21/2005 11:41:22 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: presidio9

The NOW nags are probably one of the biggest reasons for the existence of misogynist ideology. People hear them whining and mistakenly think that all or most women are like that.

I would guess that at least 80% of women think the NOW nags are idiots.


50 posted on 01/21/2005 11:49:34 AM PST by JillValentine
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