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Why Are We In Iraq?
Raymond Kraft is a lawyer and writer living and working in Northern California | 01-21-05 | Raymond Kraft

Posted on 01/21/2005 7:48:22 PM PST by granite

Why are we in Iraq?

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.

Bushido Japan had overrun most of Asia, beginning in 1928, killing millions of civilians throughout China, and impressing millions more as slave labor.

The United States was in an isolationist and pacifist mood, and most Americans and Congress wanted nothing to do with the European war, or the Asian war.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not attacked us.

It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

France was not an ally, for the Vichy government of France aligned with its German occupiers. Germany was not an ally, for it was an enemy, and Hitler intended to set up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, for it was intent on owning and controlling all of Asia. Japan and Germany had long-term ideas of invading Canada and Mexico, and then the United States over the north and south borders, after they had settled control of Asia and Europe.

America's allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia, and that was about it. There were no other countries of any size or military significance with the will and ability to contribute much of anything to the effort to defeat Hitler's Germany and Japan, and prevent the global dominance of Nazism. And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots, because none of them could produce all they needed for themselves.

All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the east, was already under the Nazi heel.

America was not prepared for war. America had stood down most of its military after World War I and throughout the depression. At the outbreak of World War II there were army soldiers training with broomsticks over their shoulders because they didn't have guns, and using cars with ''tank'' painted on the doors because they didn't have tanks. And a big chunk of our navy had just been sunk and damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600m given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler. Actually, Belgium surrendered one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day anyway, just to prove they could. Britain had been holding out for two years already in the face of staggering shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later and turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse in the late summer of 1940.

Russia saved America's rear by putting up a desperate fight for two years until the United States got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany. Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow, 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a million soldiers. More than a million! Had Russia surrendered, then, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire campaign against the Brits, then America, and the Nazis would have won that war.

Had Hitler not made that mistake and invaded England in 1940 or 1941, instead, there would have been no England for the United States and the Brits to use as a staging ground to prepare an assault on Nazi Europe. England would not have been able to run its North African campaign to help take a little pressure off Russia while America geared up for battle, and today Europe would very probably be run by the Nazis, the Third Reich, and, isolated and without any allies (not even the Brits). The United States would very likely have had to cede Asia to the Japanese, who were basically Nazis by another name then, and the world we live in today would be very different and much worse.

I say this to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And we are now at another one.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has or wants to have, and may soon have the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world, unless it is prevented from doing so.

France, Germany, and Russia, have been selling these Islamic nations weapons technology at least as recently as 2002, as have North Korea, Syria, and Pakistan, paid for with billions of dollars that Saddam Hussein skimmed from the "Oil For Food" program administered by the United Nations with the complicity of Kofi Annan and his son.

The Jihadis, or the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs. They believe that Islam, a radically conservative (definitely not liberal) form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe and then the world. All who do not bow to Allah should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is what they say.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation today, but it is not yet known which will win the Inquisition, or the Reformation.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, or the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, and the OPEC oil, and the United States, European, and Asian economies the techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC. This is not an OPEC dominated by the well educated and rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.

You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want jobs? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions and live in peace with the rest of the world, move out of the 10th Century into the 21st Century. Then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist movements.

We have to do it somewhere, we cannot do it just anywhere and we cannot do it everywhere at once.

We have created a focal point for the battle now at the time and place of our choosing, in Iraq. Not in New York, not in London, or Paris, or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we did and are doing two very important things:

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein and whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not the issue. It is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades, Saddam is a terrorist. Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq and we have focused the battle. We are killing bad guys there, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here, or anywhere else. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

The Euros could have done this, but they didn't, and they won't. We now know that rather than opposing the rise of the Jihad, the French, Germans, and Russians were selling them arms. We have found more than a million tons of weapons and munitions in Iraq. If Iraq was not a threat to anyone, why did Saddam need a million tons of weapons?

Additionally, Iraq was paying for French, German, and Russian arms with money skimmed from the United Nations Oil for Food Program (supervised by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and his son) that was supposed to pay for food, medicine, and education, for Iraqi children.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a ''whimper'' in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was at war for fourteen years before America joined in it. It officially ended in 1945 a 17 year war and was followed by another decade of United States occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again a 27 year war. World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GNP adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. World War II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 are still missing in action.

The Iraq war has so far cost the United States about $120 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 1,000 American lives, which is roughly 1/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.

But the cost of not fighting and winning World War II would have been unimaginably greater, a world that would now be dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

Americans have a short attention span, now, conditioned I suppose by 30 minute television shows and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. It always has been, and probably always will be.

If we do this thing in Iraq successfully, it is probable that the Reformation will ultimately prevail. Many Muslims in the Middle East hope it will. We will be there to support it. It has begun in some countries, Libya, for instance also Dubai and Saudi Arabia. If we fail, the Inquisition will probably prevail, and terrorism from Islam will be with us for all the foreseeable future, because the people of the Inquisition, or Jihad, believe that they are called by Allah to kill all the Infidels, and that death in Jihad is glorious.

The bottom line here is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away on its own. It will not go away if we ignore it.

If the United States can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an ''England'' in the Middle East, a platform from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons unless we or somebody does prevent them.

The Iraq war is expensive, and uncertain, yes. But the consequences of not fighting it and winning it will be horrifically greater. We have four options:

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

4. Or we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier then.

Yes, the Jihadis say that they look forward to an Islamic America. If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

We can be defeatist, as many Democrats and liberals, peace activists, and anti-war types seem to be, and concede or surrender to the Jihad or we can do whatever it takes to win this war against them.

The history of the world is the history of civil clashes, or cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like and the most determined always win. Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

In the 20th Century it was western democracy vs. communism, and before that western democracy vs. Nazism, and before that Western democracy vs. German imperialism. Western democracy won, three times, but it wasn't cheap, fun, nice, easy, or quick. Indeed, the wars against German Imperialism (World War I), Nazi Imperialism (World War II), and communist imperialism (the 40-year Cold War that included the Vietnam Battle, commonly called the Vietnam War, but itself a major battle in a larger war) covered almost the entire century.

The first major war of the 21st Century is the war between Western Judeo/Christian Civilization and Wahhabi Islam. It may last a few more years, or most of this century. It will last until the Wahhabi branch of Islam fades away, or gives up its ambitions for regional and global dominance and Jihad, or until Western Civilization gives in to the Jihad.

Remember, perspective is everything, and America's schools teach too little history. The Cold War lasted from about 1947 to 1989 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany. World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation and the United States still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept. The United States has taken a little more than 1,000 Killed-in-Action (KIA) in Iraq. The United States took more than 4,000 KIA on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In World War II the United States averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years. Most of the individual battles of World War II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

But the stakes are at least as high: a world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms--or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, and by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia.

I do not understand why many Americans do not grasp this. Too much television I guess.

Many Americans profess to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, liberty, freedom, and all that. But not for Iraqis, I guess. In America, but nowhere else. The 300,000 Iraqi bodies in mass graves in Iraq, not our problem. The United States population is about twelve times that of Iraq, so let's multiply 300,000 by twelve. What would you think if there were 3,600,000 American bodies in mass graves in America because of our president? Would you not want another country to help liberate America?

''Peace Activists'' always seem to demonstrate where it's safe and ineffective to do so: in America. Why don't we see peace activists demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and North Korea; in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?

Are we not supposed to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc? Well, if the Jihad wins and wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy. If the Jihad wins, it is the death of ALL OTHER "ISMS"!

 Too manyAmericans JUST DON'T GET IT!
 

I TRULY BELIEVE THE ABOVE TO BE A MOST REALISTIC
THREAT, NOT TO THE REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
BUT, FAR MORE IMPORTANT....TO OUR CHILDREN,
GRANDCHILDREN, DEAR FRIENDS AND ALL FELLOW
AMERICANS!!!
 


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq
I was asked to re-post this article in this forum. Sorry for the dupe.

I truly believe the above to be a most realistic threat, not to the republican nor democratic party, but, far more important....to our children, grandchildren, dear friends and all fellow Americans.

1 posted on 01/21/2005 7:48:22 PM PST by granite
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To: pitbully

ping


2 posted on 01/21/2005 7:49:11 PM PST by granite (DU FU Fan)
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To: granite
''Peace Activists'' always seem to demonstrate where it's safe and ineffective to do so: in America. Why don't we see peace activists demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and North Korea; in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?

Good one.

3 posted on 01/21/2005 7:58:02 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: granite; All

bump


4 posted on 01/21/2005 7:59:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: granite

Bump.


5 posted on 01/21/2005 8:00:09 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: granite

Chilling... and spot on.


6 posted on 01/21/2005 8:00:30 PM PST by SugarLandTexas (Keep Rather on the air. He's a constant reminder NOT to believe anything has changed.)
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To: granite

There are a couple of historical errors in this, but overall I agree completely.

The parallels between WWII and the War on Terror are uncanny. The only question is whether we'll learn from history.


7 posted on 01/21/2005 8:00:35 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: granite
Too manyAmericans JUST DON'T GET IT!

...because MSM is controlling the minds of average American. Now who is behind it?

8 posted on 01/21/2005 8:02:27 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
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To: granite

"But the stakes are at least as high: a world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms--or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, and by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia. "

If we had any kind of worthwhile media, they would be drumming this into everyone's head, instead of trying to prevent Bush from literally saving the world from this horrendous threat.


9 posted on 01/21/2005 8:03:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Middle-O-Road
The parallels between WWII and the War on Terror are uncanny

I've noticed that as well. Lots of naysayers didn't want us to get involved in that one either, Joe Kennedy Sr. was one of the most notable.

I sometimes wonder what the European countries are thinking. And I sometimes think we shouldn't care. But that is not what our country is about. We have been in the past, and always will be, the country looking out for those who don't have the sense to look out for themselves.

10 posted on 01/21/2005 8:06:42 PM PST by LisaMalia (hmmmmmmm)
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To: granite
In World War II the United States averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years.

Just wow.

11 posted on 01/21/2005 8:08:19 PM PST by what's up
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To: granite

BTTT


12 posted on 01/21/2005 8:09:19 PM PST by auboy (Dishonesty is NOT a virtue.)
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To: granite; Howlin; Liz; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog

And, this morning, Katie Couric had a special segment on new baby names. (How the left names the aborted, I'm not really sure...)


13 posted on 01/21/2005 8:11:41 PM PST by Libloather (IRAQ - the vote!)
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To: LisaMalia

In some ways it's fortunate that we have WWII as a lesson because it makes it very clear what the risks are for inaction in the face of crazies. We can either stand up to them, or we can let them succeed, which is unthinkable.

Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like now if the Nazis had won. Not a pleasant place to live. And yet the price to defeat them was terrible - 70 million people died in WWII.

Bad as the Nazis were, I almost think the terrorists are worse. At least the Nazis weren't trying to shove their perverted religion down our throat. Both make me shudder.


14 posted on 01/21/2005 8:14:15 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: granite
Thank you for that article.

It's dead on.

15 posted on 01/21/2005 8:19:29 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: granite

Thanks for posting this. Gives one perception and the bigger picture.


16 posted on 01/21/2005 8:25:51 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: Middle-O-Road
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like now if the Nazis had won

I'm sure neither of us would be posting messages here. Or even own a computer. I could go on and on, but like you, I shudder to think what life would be like.

Actually, I probably wouldn't have even been conceived.

17 posted on 01/21/2005 8:31:59 PM PST by LisaMalia (hmmmmmmm)
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To: granite

read later


18 posted on 01/21/2005 8:33:25 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Middle-O-Road
Bad as the Nazis were, I almost think the terrorists are worse. At least the Nazis weren't trying to shove their perverted religion down our throat. Both make me shudder.

What the old media will not tell you is that the Baathist regime in Iraq was a direct descendant of NAZI Germany. All of Saddam's officers were required to read Mien Kampf.

19 posted on 01/21/2005 8:36:34 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Middle-O-Road
There are a couple of historical errors in this,....

No offense, but I wish people wouldn't do this....if there is a problem with a piece....say what it is....and give some of us ignorants a chance to learn something!

I am inclined to believe that usually when people do this, they mean "I disagree with some particular assertion the author has made, but I am too smug to explain why, so I will pretend that everybody else agrees with me."

20 posted on 01/21/2005 8:36:45 PM PST by B.O. Plenty
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To: granite

Great post. Thanks. I know many people that need to read this.


21 posted on 01/21/2005 8:43:48 PM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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To: B.O. Plenty

No offense was intended. The reason why I didn't point out the errors is that I didn't think they were critically important to the topic we were discussing. For example, Germany declared war on us after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around. The reason why they did this is because they had a mutual protection pact with Japan. So, as soon as we declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on us. I had previously read the US government documents on the causes for our entry to WWII which I would highly recommend all to read, but I'm unable to find them at the moment to provide a link.

You can see Congressional documents on Germany's declaration of war, and our own, at the following web site:

http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/germwar.html


22 posted on 01/21/2005 8:57:49 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: granite

bttt


23 posted on 01/21/2005 8:58:03 PM PST by pitbully (Proud to be an American FReeper)
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To: granite

The reason we are in Iraq isn't WW2 (although the author makes a good try.

The reason that we are there is our lessons from the Cold War.

For 50+ years, we "contained" the Soviets and Chinese with our presence in West Germany, Phillipines, VietNam, etc. It was a low-level war, with jets scrambling, spies dying, and espionage acts all along the way.

For 50+ years we've been "containing" North Korea. We waited for the death of the previous leader, only to get his son, who is an even worse leader. Each day along the DMZ there are gunshots. Each day there are spying attempts. It's a war with no press covereage.

So here we were, bobbing in the waters of the Persian (or Arab?) Gulf, and camped in the sands of BFE (er, Saudi Arabia). The "stragegy" is that we "contain" Saddam until somehow he's dead. OF course, at that point, he has two crazed sons, and they might live for another 60+ years.

In other words, we're in Iraq because the alternative was another 50-year containment siege, like we did in Europe, like we've done in Korea. Only this time, instead of fighting little wars like VietNam, or checking Sandinistas, we'll be dodging 777s and wondering about every container ship in the Long Beach harbor.


24 posted on 01/21/2005 8:59:26 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: Middle-O-Road

I'd also wonder about the death totals for the USSR.

However, like the correction concerning the declaration of war with Germany, it's not critical to the arguments.


25 posted on 01/21/2005 9:01:06 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: granite
Not to sound like an environmental wacko or anything but this is why we need to give our children an alternative energy source. Wars are not won by playing fair. For example A-Bomb, Radar, and Enigma in WW II and Star Wars during the Cold War. An alternative energy source should be first on the strategic/economic agenda, the proverbial end game. I love my SUV as much as any body else, but imagine being able to tell the rest of the world that we don't need their oil. Imagine the implications, almost worth a 21st century version of the Manhattan Project.
26 posted on 01/21/2005 9:08:33 PM PST by sulla07
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To: Leo Carpathian
" ...because MSM is controlling the minds of average American. Now who is behind it?"
His name is Hugh Bris, he faxes gravitas to all his goosestepping propaganda disseminators. He is only 12 yrs old now. Next year he will change his name to Bahr Mitzvah

Shut down the Alphabet Channels (ABJazerra & Her Sister Stations, AB CB NB CN its all the same propaganda)!
Vote with your Remote!

Christmas Heart
But, I Have A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes
27 posted on 01/21/2005 9:10:53 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: TWohlford
>>>In other words, we're in Iraq because the alternative was another 50-year containment siege, like we did in Europe, like we've done in Korea. Only this time, instead of fighting little wars like VietNam, or checking Sandinistas, we'll be dodging 777s and wondering about every container ship in the Long Beach harbor. <<<

Original and dead on descriptiion of our choices! Good work TW! Ping

I would only add....Seattle harbor. It's my harbor although I worry about Long Beach and all the others!

28 posted on 01/21/2005 9:18:43 PM PST by HardStarboard (PASS)
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To: SugarLandTexas
Yes, it is chilling and spot on.

It seems at times like nothing can be done to wake people up.

My biggest fear is that we might be forced to stand back and let our enemy advance in order to gather support who don't believe the threat we face.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

29 posted on 01/21/2005 9:32:22 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: TWohlford

Vietnam wasnt a very effective "containment seige"
as I remember we left it for the viet-cong to overrun!
Im still not convinced that the soviets have been contained they are still servicing and changing fuel in their ICBMS which they still have targeted on North America. The soviets
are doing missle deals with Assad, Iran, and the usual suspects I think your "containment seige" is just wishful
thinking. The soviets and chicoms have been arming these idiot arabs for years and continue to do so!The chicoms are buying oilfields in South America and Canada. Asserting
that nutjob arabs who have no navy no long range air force no ICBMS w/multiple warheads are a threat, but the commies
who do have these things are no longer a threat doesnt make
any sense.


30 posted on 01/21/2005 9:48:32 PM PST by claptrap (Recent republican votes leave me wondering if they are all just republicrats!)
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To: granite

Wow! good job!


31 posted on 01/21/2005 10:04:35 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: granite

Most excellent article!


32 posted on 01/21/2005 10:09:37 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman
"And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots, because none of them could produce all they needed for themselves.

That's not quite true, Canada was already involved in the war overseas 3 years before Americans joined in, and produced their own weapons, including lancaster bombers and other aircraft for the RAF and RCAF. In 1939, the USA didn't have as much as one good tank. It was in the years following that the USA had the biggest military and industrial build up in the history of the world, and has never looked back since. Canada, at the onset of ww2 before USA involvement, actually had a bigger millitary than the USA, and was 3 largest in the world. It's a shame what has become of Canada now; a result of too many liberal governments. Any 3rd world dictator has a bigger military than Canada and could no doubt kick it's butt.

33 posted on 01/21/2005 11:02:09 PM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: granite

"France was not an ally, for the Vichy government of France aligned with its German occupiers."

Any doubts that history is not on a continual loop? Only the names change.


34 posted on 01/21/2005 11:23:44 PM PST by JSteff
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To: granite

Good article, something you can expand on.
The Islamic "Jihad" has been a war which has gone on for the most part of the last 1400 years. Because of the lack of history being taught, and much of it being re-written, American students, Europeon students, just don't learn it.
Spain for example, has only struggled out from the yoke of Islamic occupation in the last 200 years. Now, they are again in danger of falling back into it. The Islamic Jihad has even came out and reminded Spain of their intent to reclaim Spain, (Once Islam, forever Islam). The Muhammadan crusades are never mentioned, and the Christian Crusades, and reason for them are wrongly taught. They were DEFENSIVE, sent to reclaim the holy lands, which were mostly Christian and Jewish before the blood cult of Muhammad swept through. The Christian crusades were largely a failure, but they did stop the Muhammadans, and created western Society. If not for Gengis Kahn routing the Muhammadans, no doubt they would have entered Western Europe through Germany. The world would be a much different place had that happened, Columbus would not have existed.
India has been fighting a 1200 year war against the Muhammadan crusaders, and lost over time over 100 million or more lives. These wars continue off and on, much like we see in North Africa, the steady genocide at the hands of Islamic Jihad when they gain strength. It's how Islam spreads, by the blood and sword, slavery, forced conversion, dhimmitude or death.
Islam survives by ignorance and poverty,and brutality, tools used to keep it's subjects faithful and believing.
If those under Islamic control had the freedom to educate themselves, learn what Islam is before being brainwashed by it, Islam would collapse. This is why Islamic Jihad is on the move in this century, they are in danger because of the information age, no longer can it hide behind the "peacefull religion" cloak, it's "scripture" cannot withstand scrutiny, and it's real meaning and pupose is easily revealed to those who look closely.
This war on terrorism is far more important than most people think, future freedom and democracy depend on it.


35 posted on 01/21/2005 11:39:12 PM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Libloather
(How the left names the aborted, I'm not really sure...)

Trash is popular...

36 posted on 01/22/2005 12:38:20 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: granite

BTTT

Bingo!

Thanks.


37 posted on 01/22/2005 1:57:38 AM PST by Chgogal
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To: granite

Great piece.

A Keeper.

Thank you.


38 posted on 01/22/2005 3:43:51 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: granite

Nothing like revisionism. The Germans failed to defeat the RAF in the Battle of Britain. They could not have invaded the UK without the defeat of UK air power. Goering failed because of the integrated air defence system that the UK had established. Everything from the Royal Observer Corps to the use of the RADAR chain the Luftwaffe could not crack. Please explain how the Germans could send their invasion troop barges across the English Channel without achieving air superiority?


39 posted on 01/22/2005 6:07:35 AM PST by Tommyjo
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BTTT


40 posted on 01/22/2005 10:09:52 AM PST by pitbully (Proud to be an American FReeper)
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To: Nuzcruizer

Well said, Nuzcruizer, and you are absolutely right.

This is, indeed, a world war which will ultimately determine the course WEstern Civilization will take well into the future.

We would do well to relearn the history lessons paid for in blood by our forefathers.

Lest our grandchildren and great grandchildren be raised Moslems!


41 posted on 01/22/2005 11:13:50 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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