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Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi: Stakes are high in mission to bring democracy to Iran
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 22/01/2005 | Sarah Sands

Posted on 01/22/2005 2:03:08 AM PST by F14 Pilot

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To: parisa

He is getting a lot more exposure when he is out of the US


121 posted on 01/22/2005 10:06:18 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Khashayar
He lives in New Jersey not L.A

I didn't say he lives in L.A. I said he used to live in L.A.

122 posted on 01/22/2005 10:16:32 PM PST by BunnySlippers (When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest! - Bullwinkle J. Moose)
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To: BunnySlippers

Well, The Iranian Royal Family had many villas and houses in the states before 1979.

But their main villa is located in New Jersey and he has been living there since 1982


123 posted on 01/22/2005 10:20:41 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: JohnG45
Crown Prince my a$$.

Oh, get over it! Just because you were born without a title (and the responsibility that goes with it) doesn't give you the right to disparage one who is. Your remark is in poor taste - take it back!

124 posted on 01/23/2005 1:51:16 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: elhombrelibre

You have this one ALL WRONG!
As long as the US continues to deal with this regime, nothing will change. We are just too freakin' dependent on their oil - why don't you stop driving and quit being part of the problem. Or better yet, get on a plane and go over there to check it out for yourself. As I recall we needed help getting rid of the British......


125 posted on 01/23/2005 1:54:35 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: tkathy

And ignorance breeds bliss...


126 posted on 01/23/2005 1:56:53 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: elhombrelibre

All cock and no bull!


127 posted on 01/23/2005 1:57:37 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: LibreOuMort

How much oil do we buy from iran?


128 posted on 01/23/2005 2:12:21 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: LibreOuMort
"Oh, get over it! Just because you were born without a title (and the responsibility that goes with it) doesn't give you the right to disparage one who is. Your remark is in poor taste - take it back!"

Only to a 'furrinner'. Americans have a long tradition of not bending the knee to anyone but Jesus Christ, our Lord.

129 posted on 01/23/2005 2:13:50 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: MEG33

I heard freedom costs a buck .05.


130 posted on 01/23/2005 2:17:02 PM PST by rintense
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To: nuconvert
"It was HIS will, and as our President, that made it the will of the U.S.."

Hardly.

"It was a vocal minority who wanted him." speaking of the iranians

That lays it squarely on them.

There were plenty of Americans that didn't vote for carter. As for the ones that did, do you really believe that they were voting for this duplicitous self-serving deceitful creature history is showing him to be, or a media creation?

131 posted on 01/23/2005 2:19:58 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench

Not everyone likes the decisions a President may make. But
we live in free society where people can vote freely.
The President is our representative entrusted to make the decisions for the country, like them or not.
If you look at the original exchange, there was a question as to whether it was the will of the Iranian people or the will of the U.S. As Carter represented the U.S., it was the will of the U.S., not the Iranian people.
I'm not saying everyone agreed with what Carter did.


132 posted on 01/23/2005 2:28:38 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

It was the will of iranians, also. I remember seeing the mobs in the streets.


133 posted on 01/23/2005 2:31:50 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: LibreOuMort

Thanks for the tips. I'll stop driving tomorrow and the mullahs will collapse.


134 posted on 01/23/2005 2:36:29 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: monkeywrench

The people in Iran get to vote for people the government approves of. They have a council that "vets" anyone they don't like.
Their government, supreme leader and president are NOT representative of the people at all. So the decisions made are hardly the will of the people.

Yes, there were mobs in the streets. There were thousands of people. Among millions. But a vocal minority. Most of the people in the streets were paid participants. Same as the paid participants today when there are regime rallies.
This is how the media manipulated what was happening in Iran. They did a great job "selling" the story to the U.S. citizens and the entire world. Such a great job, that people still believe it today.


135 posted on 01/23/2005 2:44:58 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Thank you for making my point. People voting for a media illusion had fraud committed against them by groups more powerful than they and cannot be blamed for the consequences. The internet is finally waking people up to the huge fraud that has been perpetuated against them for a very long time.


136 posted on 01/23/2005 2:54:50 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench

Along those lines, ...the Iranian people never understood how they went from being friends and allies with the U.S. and its people one day, and enemies the next.
The media portrayed all Iranians as our enemies, but the Iranian people never knew that. All they knew was that the people in the U.S. suddenly hated all of them, not just their leader and a vocal minority.
A cruel manipulation by the media against millions of innocents.


137 posted on 01/23/2005 3:05:08 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

But, you have to admit the media fraud made the Americans innocent, too. They were just as decieved. Today, with access to so much information, I could not make that case.


138 posted on 01/23/2005 3:20:04 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: JohnG45
This concept of royalty is passe today. (Except in their minds of course.)

Not in mine!

It is impossible for royalty to be "passe," because monarchy is timeless and not confined to any particular era. There's a reason why there are no fairy tales or great literature about presidents: monarchy speaks to something deeply embedded in the human psyche that republicanism doesn't. The millions of British people who turned out to celebrate Queen Elizabeth II's Golden Jubilee in 2002, or the even more millions worldwide who were enthralled by The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King don't seem to be find royalty "passe" at all.

It probably escaped your attention that the popularity of the Swedish royal family, which handled the tsunami crisis much better than the elected government, has increased in recent weeks. Passe? Nothing could be further from the truth. The world's royal families continue to comfort and inspire millions of ordinary people, and Iranians would be lucky if the monarchy were to be restored.

139 posted on 01/25/2005 6:52:27 AM PST by royalcello
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To: tkathy
His name is Mr. Palavi, not Crown prince Reza Pahlavi. The Iranians need freedom and elections, not a medieval theocracy.

What a pathetically ignorant statement. The Iranian monarchy was never a theocracy; it is the current Islamic Republic that is. Under the Shah, Reza Pahlavi's father, literacy increased and women were educated and played roles in government. There was nothing backward about it. What Iranians need is the restoration of the monarchy.

140 posted on 01/25/2005 6:54:38 AM PST by royalcello
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