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To: pillbox_girl
do you enjoy those rights and freedoms his writings described and we fought two bloody wars to protect?

To which two wars are you referring? Presumably the American War for Independence is one. As for "rights and freedoms," what about the rights and freedoms of the American loyalists who were harrassed, tarred & feathered, and driven out of the country because they wished to remain loyal to the Crown? The atrocious treatment of the loyalists by the "Sons of Liberty" showed the revolution to be hypocritical from the very beginning.

I tend to view American followers of the british royal family as falling into one of three groups: the gossips, the academics, and the slaves.

As my website makes clear, I could fall in all three of your insulting categories of American monarchists, but yes, I am certainly a "true believer." I am also a Tolkien fan (please spell his name correctly), so I guess that makes me doubly irrelevant in your view.

These are the ones who actually want to be subjects, or peasants, or slaves

I am sure that the present-day residents of Britain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and Spain will be most interested to learn that they are akin to slaves. Monarchism has nothing to do with wanting to be a peasant. Rather, it is the recognition of the need to give honor to a person who by inheriting his or her position connects the present with the past and impartially symbolizes the entire nation as no politician could. There is nothing remotely degrading about an appreciation of the splendid pageantry, traditions, and rituals associated with monarchy. These things exist for the benefit of the people, not for the monarch. I am sorry that you cannot appreciate them.

160 posted on 01/27/2005 9:05:26 AM PST by royalcello
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To: royalcello
To which two wars are you referring?

The War of Independence if you're white (for the most part). The Civil War if you're black (for the most part).

As for "rights and freedoms," what about the rights and freedoms of the American loyalists who were harrassed, tarred & feathered, and driven out of the country because they wished to remain loyal to the Crown?

The revolution was a war against monarchy. British Loyalists, by clinging to that monarchy, were, by definition, the enemy. They were a serious danger of becoming a counter-liberty fifth column. Face it. In war, yo do bad things to the enemy. You do not offer "aid and comfort" to them. The enemy of the free man is not the tyrant, but the willing slave who keeps the tyrant in power.

The atrocious treatment of the loyalists by the "Sons of Liberty" showed the revolution to be hypocritical from the very beginning.

See above. And untrue. We fought the revolution for all men who would be free. Not for people who wanted to re-enslave us. When you declare yourself anothers enemy, you cannot then complain when they treat you badly (though certain muslim dictatorships do try, and fuzzy-minded liberals do fall for it).

As my website makes clear,

As if I give a democRat's A** about your website. I don't need to see any more knee-bending drivel than what you've written here.

I could fall in all three of your insulting categories of American monarchists

Insulting? Far from it. The truth just hurts sometimes.

but yes, I am certainly a "true believer."

Then I feel sorry for you.

I am also a Tolkien fan (please spell his name correctly), so I guess that makes me doubly irrelevant in your view.

Spelling complaints are petty (and irrelevant). However, I thought Tolkien was one of those exceptions to the "I before E " rule.

However, be that as it may be, the works of Tolkien and the concept of royalty share one thing: they are both complete fantasy. Unfortunately for humanity, a lot of needless suffering has come from adhering to the lie of royalty.

I am sure that the present-day residents of Britain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and Spain will be most interested to learn that they are akin to slaves.

They are. A lot of fools are still fools. And I don't think they are all happy to be subjects. Look at the recurring referendums on monarchy in those countries. The numbers for abolition keep climbing with every iteration. Though they may make vainglorious babble trying to refute that. The very concept of royalty flies in the face of the inherent truth of human equality. The monarchists you mention for some reason prefer to think of themselves as lesser than another through the mere accident of their births. That is their problem.

Rather, it is the recognition of the need to give honor to a person who by inheriting his or her position

Again, I have yet to see anyone adequately explain to me why an inherited position deserves any recognition. Especially when it's a false position to begin with.

There is nothing remotely degrading about an appreciation of the splendid pageantry, traditions, and rituals associated with monarchy.

Splendid pageantry cannot hide the inherent degrading nature of the institution itself. Like most monarchists, you lack the ability to see through the drama to the basic, underlying principle that some people are lesser than others through nothing more than who their parents were.

These things exist for the benefit of the people, not for the monarch. I am sorry that you cannot appreciate them.

Um. No. These things exist for the people who also find themselves, somewhere in the hierarchy above the bottom. And that's the other basic problem with monarchy. It defines an ilegitimate concept of government where political power derives from a source other than the will of the people and the individual. Plain and simple.

164 posted on 01/27/2005 11:11:01 AM PST by pillbox_girl
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