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To: editor-surveyor
Please elaborate: Christ taught that there are two separate "seeds," Adam/Seth's seed, and the serpant's seed. You and I cannot discern the difference; to us both seeds look the same, but the Lord the difference was visible: he called the pharisees serpant seed. He told them that their father was the serpant.

In everyday terms, how does this manifest itself today, and how does it apply today in our world? Real world examples?

Evolution is a lie that is perpetuated in order to hide the fact that there are two distinct seeds, and to further the myth of the "fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man." You won't find that in God's word, because it is a lie.

In layman's terms, tell me what this means. I don't understand how evolved species negate the teachings of Christ or the word of God as regards how humans should treat each other, or how it negates the Ten Commandments or the seven deadly sins. Your sentence, "The teachings of Christ were not 'moral'," makes zero sense to me. Please explain.

You ask me to believe that fossils are manufactured and planted by occultists? Are you asking me to believe also that the earth revolves around the sun?

Westcott's son, Arthur, published much information about the comings and goings of his father, and his circle of friends; Darwin was one of them. You need to be more curious.

Can you recommend a book I'd find in the library RE Arthur Westcott's revelations? Was Arthur the only contemporary to write about it?

Just to throw this out here ... could it be that the interested folks that would perpetuate a lie (truth will set you free) are men who seek to protect their own powerful roles in how regular Joes like you and me interpret our Bibles in context with growing knowledge of the physical world around us? Things that some of us observe with our own eyes, and other of us learn from trusted sources? Is it a Godly thing to deny the conclusions we would draw from abilities and gifts God gave us? Is it Godly to contort things such as to cast thousands of people in evil light in order to preserve a status quo of power? Would you advocate that I view with suspicion and regard as malignant fellow humans who study our physical world and come to inevitable conclusions that don't square with literal translations of the bible of things that relate not to spirituality but to physical realities?

God forbade fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not fruit from the tree of knowledge of biology, or math, or geology, or music, or chemistry, or any other knowledge. The way I see it is that the Bible and Christ teach us spiritual ways to mitigate evil, those ways being behavioral. My knowledge of the Bible is admittedly scant -- I've never read all of the Old Testament (but have read the New a few times), and am the first to say that it is very confusing and hard to understand, and I am loathe to automatically trust interpretation to others, especially when others have so much interest in the outcome via power they hold over thee and thine and me and mine. What isn't hard to understand is the code of moral behaviour advised in the Bible.

I don't find the bible's words confusing regarding that (though I may find hard to understand the reasons -- sometimes God's laws seem arbitrary, but in the long run they're like a parent who tells a kid not to have candy for breakfast; a child doesn't understand why, but as the child becomes an adult and understands the reality of the wolrd, comes to see that eating candy for breakfast is physically unhealthy for the body. It's the same, I think, with God's commandments and deadly sins.)

Science doesn't seek to discern good and evil, it finds things like fossils and such and attempts to draw conclusions about the world around us. I'm leery when I see mortal men attempting to determine knowledge of good and evil from observations of rock, stone, old bones, and the reasoning of sensible minds.

73 posted on 01/25/2005 9:50:56 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny
" I absolutely don't get how you can say that the teachings of Christ are not moral, but interesting just the same. Also: Does the sun revolve around the earth?"

I didn't say that the teachings of Christ are immoral, I said that Christ didn't teach morality. Morality is not the route to eternal life, that's man's idea (the lie again). Eternal life is only available to his elect, through the shedding of his blood at the cross.

What possible difference would the sun revolving around the earth make? Albert Einstein prepared a proof that geocentrism offered no consequences in general relativity.

"You ask me to believe that fossils are manufactured and planted by occultists? Are you asking me to believe also that the earth revolves around the sun?"

You are asking to debate a strawman. The fossils are the direct result of the death of most of the aquatic life on earth when "the fountains of the great deep" gushed up through the cracks in the earth's crust scalding them with super heated water. The events of the flood and the following 200 or 300 years account for the present condition of the earth.

"I don't understand how evolved species negate the teachings of Christ or the word of God as regards how humans should treat each other, or how it negates the Ten Commandments or the seven deadly sins. Your sentence, "The teachings of Christ were not 'moral'," makes zero sense to me."

The lie of evolution is a total denial of God's word. It is a negation of God's plan of salvation through his son, the 'kinsman redeemer' (read the book of Ruth). Seven deadly sins? All sin is deadly; the wages of sin is death, and eternal life is a gift from God to his elect, through the shed blood of his son. Christ made it clear that you cannot 'earn' your way to eternal life through moral behavior. Sin once and you are doomed; the price for one sin is eternity in hell, and that price will be required of all but those for whom the price was paid by their 'kinsman redeemer." There is no "code of moral behavior" proferred in God's word. God's word says that "there is none righteous, no not one." It says that our righteousness is as the bandages on the leper's lesions. That means that our righteousness is merely a covering on the fetid rot that lies in our hearts.

"Science doesn't seek to discern good and evil, it finds things like fossils and such and attempts to draw conclusions about the world around us."

There are some real, honest, objective researchers out there, and most of them have no difficulty asserting that there is no evidence that honestly supports 'evolution.' Even Steven Gould wrote that if evolution were true, life would be increasingly diverse, rather than decreasingly diverse (the 'cone of increasing diversity' called for in his book, Wonderful Life, but admitted not to exist at all). Men seek to explain how life could come to exist without God, not to explain how God did it; Gould admitted that many times.

For your mind to digest: If man evolved, when did he begin to be "in the image of God?" Can chimps claim eternal life? Were there 'primitive men' who are not to share in Christs death at the cross because they were not yet human? These issues are dealt with in the word, but you have to read it to get the answers. All the answers to all possible relevant questions are in the word, and if you want those answers you have to read and pray for them. Those who hate our Lord are not going to offer truth; they live by the lie of Genesis chapter 3 ("ye shall be as gods.")

79 posted on 01/25/2005 7:05:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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