Black Conservative 'Outraged' by Dems' Attacks on Rice

CNSNEWS.com ^ | 1/26/05 | Susan Jones

[expatpat]

Thanks, Michael. She's quite a woman, and not a conservative, apparently. She was really angry!

[hchutch]

The problem isn't the "lies" that Condi Rice allegedly told. The problem is that she is not on the Democratic plantation.

[Durus]

"Thomas Jefferson (a slaveholder who impregnated his slaves)"

Jefferson ran for president under the democratic-republican party. There was no democratic or republican party at the time.

Sally Hemmings, the slave that you accuse Jefferson of impregnating, had a number of children. Genetic Tests have shown that only one of them had any DNA link to the Jefferson family and any Jefferson male (of which there were many) could have been the father. To use this as "evidence" that he was the Father, especially considering how much time he spent away from home is, is absurd. It further stretches credulity when you discover that the original source of these rumors was a political enemy without the benefit of any evidence at all. The simple fact that he owned slaves hardly makes him unique among our founders and of course at the time it was an acceptable practice almost ever where in the world.

Jefferson was the author of the Declaration of Independence. More then any other document, with the possible exception of the federalist papers, it shaped political thought in the hearts and minds of the people who yearned for freedom.

Your cheap smear is disgusting.

[SuziQ]

They're taking their cue from the President, but I wish they'd realize that he HAS to be more magnanimous, but they don't!

I loved the President's response in the Press Conference this morning when yet another reporter tried to bait him with a statement about how Barbara Boxer called Condi a liar. His response was "weren't there 99 other Senators who DIDN'T say that?" Whenever the Dems do their thing, they always look SMALL.

[Mark17]

I am disgusted with the GOP's silence.

Most of us are.

[The Loan Arranger]

"Jefferson ran for president under the democratic-republican party. There was no democratic or republican party at the time.


Sally Hemmings, the slave that you accuse Jefferson of impregnating, had a number of children. Genetic Tests have shown that only one of them had any DNA link to the Jefferson family and any Jefferson male (of which there were many) could have been the father. To use this as "evidence" that he was the Father, especially considering how much time he spent away from home is, is absurd. It further stretches credulity when you discover that the original source of these rumors was a political enemy without the benefit of any evidence at all. The simple fact that he owned slaves hardly makes him unique among our founders and of course at the time it was an acceptable practice almost ever where in the world.


Jefferson was the author of the Declaration of Independence. More then any other document, with the possible exception of the federalist papers, it shaped political thought in the hearts and minds of the people who yearned for freedom.


Your cheap smear is disgusting."

Sorry, won't wash. The Democratic Party of today considers President Jefferson one of their founders. Their annual fund raising dinners are called 'Jefferson/Jackson Day' Events. The Federalists, and later Whigs were the predecessors of the modern GOP, but the Democratic-Republican Party is acknowledged by most historians to be the direct descendant of today's DNC. Enslaving and killing Jews was an "accepted practice" in the caliphates, medieval Europe and in Nazi Germany, does that make it "right?"

[Durus]

"Sorry, won't wash. The Democratic Party of today considers President Jefferson one of their founders.

I don't care what the Democrats claim. There is no commonality between the Democratic-Republican party and the modern Democrat party no matter how much they try to latch on to a founder father. You argument underscores my own. If you claim that the D/R party was a precursor to the modern Democrat party (even though it's a silly idea as they share no ideology) then you admit that they aren't the same party. If a historian claimed that the Democratic-Republican party was somehow the descendant of the current Democrat party he would be laughed at.

Enslaving and killing Jews was an "accepted practice" in the caliphates, medieval Europe and in Nazi Germany, does that make it "right?"

People have been enslaved and killed by other people since the dawn of time. Do we dismiss the words or actions of every person that was ever a slave holder...or the product of a culture of slave holders? While not claiming it is "right" to own slaves, I wonder if you would have taken up arms against it. Jefferson, among others, flirted with the idea of banning slavery but it was decided that banning slavery would never be tolerated in the current culture. Do you share an equal dislike for any founder that owned slaves? Do you dislike any person throughout history that owned slaves?

Why do you really dislike Jefferson?

[postaldave]

CONDI 2008!

i'm in. she could not only win but take out what's left of the democratic party.

[speekinout]

I am disgusted with the GOP's silence.

Most of us are.

Speak for yourself. There's an old saying that you shouldn't get onto a mud fight with pigs. You just get dirty, and the pig enjoys himself.

Anyone who can be swayed by this kind of mud slinging is not someone I could ever trust to be on my side in anything. I'm glad the GOP leaders are staying out of the mud.

[Mark17]

I'm glad the GOP leaders are staying out of the mud.

This one maybe. I am kind of referring to the countless other times they should be getting down and dirty, and they don't. If the slime bag demon rats trash our side, and we do not defend our honor, people assume we have none. Politics is warfare, without the shooting.

[speekinout]

I am kind of referring to the countless other times they should be getting down and dirty, and they don't.

I can agree with that. A good example is the current argument about SS. The GOP should be coming out with all guns blazing, and they aren't. Maybe Bush will get the argument out in front of the American people, but that isn't typical of the GOP.
We'll see if W does fight for his primary issues. I don't expect him to fight for minor issues. It's too time consuming, resource consuming, and in the end, futile.

[nicmarlo]

Peterson has long argued that liberal Democrats are racist toward blacks: "Liberals believe that blacks should all think and vote the same," he said. "And they loathe any free-thinking black who dares to walk off their plantation."

You go, Peterson!!

[Southack]

"I am kind of referring to the countless other times they should be getting down and dirty, and they don't. If the slime bag demon rats trash our side, and we do not defend our honor, people assume we have none. Politics is warfare, without the shooting."

Sun Tzu said that the very best commanders could win wars without ever fighting a battle.

Look around; the Republicans have stormed back from the political wilderness...all while being polite...to now control most state governorships, most state legislatures, the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

In response to each loss, the Dems, in contrast, grow more shrill and wild-eyed (e.g. Sen. Boxer, CBS News).

Republicans are *killing* Dems with kindness...and the Dems don't know how to handle it.

[MeekOneGOP]

Peterson has long argued that liberal Democrats are racist toward blacks: "Liberals believe that blacks should all think and vote the same," he said. "And they loathe any free-thinking black who dares to walk off their plantation."

In his statement, Peterson noted that "Sen. Robert Byrd is a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter who has recently used the word 'nigger" twice on national television. Byrd helped filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and also opposed the nominations of both black candidates for the Supreme Court -- liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas."

Ah, yes. The GOOD Jesse. You tell 'em, Jesse.

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Former KKK Klansman,
Senator Robert Byrd……

Byrd said in part, "I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, `Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white ni**ers. I've seen a lot of white ni**ers in my time. I'm going to use that word."

See this Michelle Malkin article about Robert Byrd from March 7, 2001

[BobS]

"Why must race be brought up in everything?"

Because this week Black Americans found out something about democrats.

Next week Hispanic Americans will find out the same thing.

Bush should keep this up until the democrats run out of ethnic groups to insult. It's amazing to watch people so blinded by hate that they dig their own graves.

[nicmarlo]

what a pig Byrd is. I tell ya.

[MeekOneGOP]

what a pig Byrd is. I tell ya.

I shudder from revulsion when I see him on the Senate floor.

We are witnessing the extinction of the DemoKrautic Party.

[nicmarlo]

We are witnessing the extinction of the DemoKrautic Party.

We are definitely witnessing something....a meltdown, at least. I can't quite figure out what we're watching.

[Susannah]

I think members of both political parties have some admiration for Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson wrote the letter that is often referred to as acknowledging "separation of church and state". Democrats and the ACLU have taken this to mean something totally different from what the intent was; but, all in all, most Republicans like Jefferson for confronting would could have allowed one church to dominate the political spectrum over other churches.

I've read things that suggested that it was Thomas Jefferson's brother who had some children with a black woman.

Interesting, too, that the left's hero was the first president to take on Muslim pirates (see the following article:

The Barbary War -- the first American war against Libya -- was the first war waged by the United States outside national boundaries after gaining independence and
unification of the country.

The four Barbary States of North Africa - Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli - had plundered seaborne commerce for centuries. Surviving by blackmail, they received great sums of money, ships, and arms yearly from foreign powers in
return for allowing the foreigners to trade in African ports and sail unmolested through the Barbary waters. They demanded tribute money, seized ships, and held crews for ransom or sold them into slavery.

During the Crusades (1095-1295), Muslim pirates operating from bases in North Africa had plundered ships carrying Crusaders and pilgrims and sold many Christians into slavery. By the sixteenth century, Hapsburg Spain and the
Ottoman Turks were pitted in a struggle for supremacy in the Mediterranean. Piracy, which for both Christians and Muslims was a dimension of the conflict between the opposing powers, lured adventurers from around the Mediterranean to the Maghribi coastal towns and islands. Among them was Khair ad Din, called Barbarossa, who in 1510 seized Algiers on the pretext of defending it from the
Spaniards. Barbarossa subsequently recognized the suzerainty of the Ottoman sultan over the territory that he controlled and was in turn appointed the sultan's
regent in the Maghrib. The term "Barbary" derives from Barbarosa ["red beard"].

By the end of the 18th Century the effectiveness of Tripoli's corsairs had long since deteriorated, but their reputation alone was enough to prompt European maritime states to pay the tribute extorted by the pasha to ensure safe passage of their shipping through Tripolitanian waters. American merchant ships, no longer covered by British protection, were seized by Barbary pirates in the years after United States independence, and American crews were enslaved. In 1799 the United States agreed to pay $18,000 a year in return for a promise that Tripoli-based corsairs would not molest American ships. Similar agreements
were made at the time with the rulers of Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis.

In May, 1801, the United States refused to succumb to the increasing demands of the Pacha of Tripoli; in return, the Pacha declared war against the States.
While Tripoli was not a strong power and little effort was necessary to watch and blockade it, the fear was that the other Barbary powers would join against the United States. The United States sent naval squadrons into the Mediterranean under the slogan of "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!" Under the leadership of Commodores Richard Dale and Edward Preble, the Navy
blockaded the enemy coast, bombarded his shore fortresses, and engaged in close, bitterly contested gunboat actions.

(snip)

In 1805 Marines stormed the Barbary pirates' harbor fortress stronghold of Derna (Tripoli), commemorated in the Marine Corp Hymn invocation "To the Shores of Tripoli." First Lieutenant O'Bannon is remembered for heroism in the battle for Derna. O'Bannon's Marines were the first U.S. forces to hoist the flag over territory in the Old World.

(snip)

(full story: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/barbary.htm

*note to the military: SEND MORE MARINES to get the Muslim fanatics! ;^)

[Susannah]

I just tried a URL for ncbw. I used www.ncbw.org and their opening page says they are progressives, then got to the next page, but I didn't see the story about Condi Rice there. http://www.ncbw.org/intro.html

I guess it's not the same group that supports Condi.